Who will betray Bree?

emerrs11 · Post by **emerrs11** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:16 pm

I think that Daniel suggested vegas knowing they would be there to get captured. the three of them are locked up in cells. Then 2 of them will escape because someone within the order helped them (or Tachyon) and then they go back and start kicking deacon butt. then bree and jonas will find out they are brother and sister. and then everything will be awesome and tachyon and brother can finally be at ease.

longlostposter · Post by **longlostposter** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:20 pm

Sounds like a Disney movie.

They need to stay with the Order a while, so we can see how they operate.

heyiknowsyou · Post by **heyiknowsyou** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:30 pm

Killthesmiley wrote:In all honesty,
they have enough ammunition to wear Jonas down the fastest.
He has his money and his family at stake. They (probably) have his parents, therefore proof that the money is not technically his by law. But will he realize that fast enough...probably not. They put his mom and dad in front of him, and there goes the memories of an empty few years of child hood without parents. BUT once he reunites with them...the money is returned to his parents, and as a result of that, given to the order.
So not only will he be the first one to emtionally crack, but he may also be the most pressured to crack.

I totally want to see that made true... well the part where they sit Jonas's parents in front of him. I have an image in my head of him totally breaking down, sobbing, and its beautiful.

However, i really don't want him to betray bree.

i think all they have to do is trigger Daniel and that will be that.

RoseCrowley · Post by **RoseCrowley** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:59 am

I believe that Aunt Alex snuck a tracking device on Daniel, that was how the helicoppers were able to follow them. THEN, when the boys were out having a good time in Vegas, I don't believe they were drinking at all, I think someone was tampering with the orange slurpees! That is why you never got a direct answer out of the boys if they were drunk (such as cutie pie jonas just laughing and smiling at the camera).... Those darn order kids and their highjinks.....

silvermoon · Post by **silvermoon** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:09 am

I think Daniel set the whole thing up and has been a part of the Order from day one. There was never a need for tracking devices, because he was calling in their location on a daily basis. The whole thing was just to wear Bree down and test her loyalty to the Order.

ladysolitary85 · Post by **ladysolitary85** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:43 am

mellie3204 wrote:Hmm, I actually think Jonus would be the last to crack out of the two. He's been personally hurt by them, with the revalations about his parents and his Aunt, I think he's holding it in but he's pretty angry about it. I don't think he'd be as easy to break as Daniel, who doesn't have as personal a stake, who has already been brainwashed by them once, who seems more at the mercy of his impulses.

just my 2 cents

*edited for spelling - I gotta start proof-reading my posts!!!*

I think so too, the only thing I can see the Order threatening Bree in for her "willingly" to do the ceremony or to kill off Jonas and Daniel.... *tries not to think about it* if thats the case... PLEASE DON'T DIE JONAS!!! lol

Its not that I don't like Daniel, but in the Eppisode "Aunt Alex Is" Daniel wasn't alert about the chance of Alex being part of the Order, while Jonas didn't want to risk anything and jet off.

Also I do think there is one thing that can hold Daniel back beside the brainwashing thing.... Miss Alex. Why? because Daniel is girl crazy.

silvermoon · Post by **silvermoon** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:40 am

Well, I guess we have our anser...neither of the boys will have to do anything...the Order will brainwash her into doing the ceremony all by themselves.

Almost a little anti-climactic. Of course, maybe Bree is smarter than we think and is just agreeing to anything right now.

Hopefully, Tachy is on her way to help!

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:19 am

heyiknowsyou wrote:
Killthesmiley wrote:In all honesty,
they have enough ammunition to wear Jonas down the fastest.
He has his money and his family at stake. They (probably) have his parents, therefore proof that the money is not technically his by law. But will he realize that fast enough...probably not. They put his mom and dad in front of him, and there goes the memories of an empty few years of child hood without parents. BUT once he reunites with them...the money is returned to his parents, and as a result of that, given to the order.
So not only will he be the first one to emtionally crack, but he may also be the most pressured to crack.

I totally want to see that made true... well the part where they sit Jonas's parents in front of him. I have an image in my head of him totally breaking down, sobbing, and its beautiful.

However, i really don't want him to betray bree.

i think all they have to do is trigger Daniel and that will be that.

After the last video, I have it all blocked out in my head too.
I like the idea behind this a lot. At least the basis behind it and using his arents to break him down. I think it could be extrememyl effective story wise.

silvermoon · Post by **silvermoon** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:30 am

Killthesmiley wrote:In all honesty,
they have enough ammunition to wear Jonas down the fastest.
He has his money and his family at stake. They (probably) have his parents, therefore proof that the money is not technically his by law. But will he realize that fast enough...probably not. They put his mom and dad in front of him, and there goes the memories of an empty few years of child hood without parents. BUT once he reunites with them...the money is returned to his parents, and as a result of that, given to the order.
So not only will he be the first one to emtionally crack, but he may also be the most pressured to crack.

For Jonas' parents to come out and claim their money from Jonas, I'm pretty sure they are going to get called in for questioning about why they faked their death, and where they have been for all these years. I'm sure that they have probably been declared dead by now (I know here, after 7 years of being missing, you are declared dead by the state, though you can go through legal procedures to have it done sooner if it's obvious there was a death, but no body) and that Jonas and the estate has received insurance payments.

Unless the Order has infiltrated the insurance companies, there would be a big fraud investigation over this. Not to mention the publicity over 2 rich, presumed dead people coming "back to life" to fight their son over his inheritance! The tabloids would be all over that!

I really think just messing with Jonas over whether his parents are alive or dead would be plenty to use over him. I'm sure he'd give all the money up just to have them back.

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:33 am

silvermoon wrote:
Killthesmiley wrote:In all honesty,
they have enough ammunition to wear Jonas down the fastest.
He has his money and his family at stake. They (probably) have his parents, therefore proof that the money is not technically his by law. But will he realize that fast enough...probably not. They put his mom and dad in front of him, and there goes the memories of an empty few years of child hood without parents. BUT once he reunites with them...the money is returned to his parents, and as a result of that, given to the order.
So not only will he be the first one to emtionally crack, but he may also be the most pressured to crack.
For Jonas' parents to come out and claim their money from Jonas, I'm pretty sure they are going to get called in for questioning about why they faked their death, and where they have been for all these years. I'm sure that they have probably been declared dead by now (I know here, after 7 years of being missing, you are declared dead by the state, though you can go through legal procedures to have it done sooner if it's obvious there was a death, but no body) and that Jonas and the estate has received insurance payments.

Unless the Order has infiltrated the insurance companies, there would be a big fraud investigation over this. Not to mention the publicity over 2 rich, presumed dead people coming "back to life" to fight their son over his inheritance! The tabloids would be all over that!

I really think just messing with Jonas over whether his parents are alive or dead would be plenty to use over him. I'm sure he'd give all the money up just to have them back.

Thats very true...
but remember what Bree said "The Order Is everywhere!"
And when they found the documents in jonas' attic they said something about it reaching the government.
I have no doubt that the order could squash it, and make the situation non exsistant

silvermoon · Post by **silvermoon** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:39 am

How can the Order be such a secret society if every-freaking-body is in it, though?

The government, the press, the police, the insurance companies, cowboys, lonely girls, rich orphans, your aunt, the fashion industry, random strangers, everyone in a damn black suit....the milkman, Barney the dinosaur, your cat, the guy with the lisp that cuts your brother's hair....

The suspension of disbelief becomes way too much to handle if everyone is actually in the Order. Why would they need to "kill" Jonas' parents or Bree's dad if they can just squash down any uprising or question that comes up?

The Order almost seems to have gone past "secret society" into the realm of "godlike supervillains" that can do anything and get away with it.

Killthesmiley · Post by **Killthesmiley** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:49 am

The Order almost seems to have gone past "secret society" into the realm of "godlike supervillains" that can do anything and get away with it.

I really think this is the type of feel the creators want us to have for the order. I really think they want us (as well as Bree) to feel like everything is hopeless, and running almost seems like a lost cause.
While, yes I agree in a sense that what the point of it being a secret society if everyone is in it. But the point that was being made was that it's secret, and it influences the way the world works. Not everyone is in it, but the right people are. The powerful people who could utilize their decision making power to achieve goals that benift the Order and their goals. Just like the illuminati are (rumored) to do.
Also remember, we as fans, are also character in this ordeal. Not all of us are asociated with the order.
So ... no it's not a secret society, in the fact that people don't know it exsists. But like other "Secret Society's", they are secret because we don't know they exsist, but because their traditions and goals are mysteries to the general public.

So to go along with my orginal idea of what could happen:

After the last video, I have it all blocked out in my head too.
I like the idea behind this a lot. At least the basis behind it and using his arents to break him down. I think it could be extrememyl effective story wise.

I'm not too sure if the money is what they are after, however, Jonas would be the easiest to Break and Bend as they have the proper ammunition to do so.[/quote]

silvermoon · Post by **silvermoon** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:00 am

I totally agree with that part -- Jonas with his trauma over loosing his parents, and all the therapy he's had, would be easiest to break.

Languorous Lass · Post by **Languorous Lass** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:44 pm

silvermoon wrote:How can the Order be such a secret society if every-freaking-body is in it, though?

The government, the press, the police, the insurance companies, cowboys, lonely girls, rich orphans, your aunt, the fashion industry, random strangers, everyone in a damn black suit....the milkman, Barney the dinosaur, your cat, the guy with the lisp that cuts your brother's hair....

The suspension of disbelief becomes way too much to handle if everyone is actually in the Order. Why would they need to "kill" Jonas' parents or Bree's dad if they can just squash down any uprising or question that comes up?

The Order almost seems to have gone past "secret society" into the realm of "godlike supervillains" that can do anything and get away with it.

Like the Republican Party.

impulse · Post by **impulse** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:26 pm

Languorous Lass wrote:
silvermoon wrote:How can the Order be such a secret society if every-freaking-body is in it, though?

The government, the press, the police, the insurance companies, cowboys, lonely girls, rich orphans, your aunt, the fashion industry, random strangers, everyone in a damn black suit....the milkman, Barney the dinosaur, your cat, the guy with the lisp that cuts your brother's hair....

The suspension of disbelief becomes way too much to handle if everyone is actually in the Order. Why would they need to "kill" Jonas' parents or Bree's dad if they can just squash down any uprising or question that comes up?

The Order almost seems to have gone past "secret society" into the realm of "godlike supervillains" that can do anything and get away with it.
Like the Republican Party.

That's it! Mystery solved!