| primo! by modalman on 2006-10-08 23:07:22 Cool :-) by Yesh on 2006-10-08 23:08:33 So did you see Daniel's last video? Are you going to rip him a new one? by The Fat Lady on 2006-10-08 23:09:49 Her family photo in the background is gone by honu on 2006-10-08 23:11:19 weird....is this supposed to make us feel better about it? by chaela on 2006-10-08 23:14:06 6th? by Pepperoni on 2006-10-08 23:15:16 comrents! by callaway on 2006-10-08 23:17:18 yeah that photo is gone... and she said nothing about daniels last post. hrmmmm....weird. by eeka on 2006-10-08 23:26:47 finally thank you thank you thank you by sanilynx on 2006-10-08 23:27:06 Well, its good that u seem happier i guess... Nut u were alwayse the happiest when daniel was around that was funny when u wer dancing i wish there was 10 days in a week! then there would be like a5 day weekend or somthin by yoshi on 2006-10-08 23:28:45 So, when is this ceremony, guys? I'm scurred fur bree bree...I know it's her religion n' all, but if there's something freaky going on like virgin sacrifice or whatnot she needs to use her common sense and save herself. Or, have Daniel save her!! Go Dannyboy!!! by leeny on 2006-10-08 23:34:37 woo! 13 highest ever! by andrew-san on 2006-10-09 00:00:40 wow I just learned so much. TIME FOR RESEARCH!!!!! let's hope bree doesn't die in the ceremony!!!! by andrew-san on 2006-10-09 00:06:03 You don't hate Daniel anymore? by Roo on 2006-10-09 00:08:14 go to youtube - search 1GregRey watch the vid called GregRey - "I Wish..." Theres a lonelygirl and daniel appearance after the opening skit! by 1GregRey on 2006-10-09 00:08:23 not sure how i feel about this. Talkabout daniels staking! by Lindsey on 2006-10-09 00:10:55 Hi, Bree! I didn't think that was boring at all; I thought it was interesting, too. I was really interested in Egypt for a while when I was younger. I'd never heard anything about the stuff you talked about, though, until tonight. Cool! by Violet on 2006-10-09 00:12:49 Bree, are you reaching out to Daniel? Are you starting to get scared, and you are trying to mask your true fears? Are you starting to get uncomfortable with the idea of a ceremony? Will you be the center of attention in the ceremony or are there others? by Roo on 2006-10-09 00:14:36 I think it's interesting, too, but it doesn't move the story forward. We get to dig arounf for more information, oh boy. I found this link "Translation of the figures in the Zodiac of Denderah" http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterOne/TranslateDenderah.htm by annie on 2006-10-09 00:22:58 why are people freaked out? there hasn't been a single hint of creepiness in any of her vlogs only in the fan response. what the smack, people? maybe they are just a bunch of tree hugging star gazing hippies. is that too much to accept? by platypusrex on 2006-10-09 00:26:11 Jessica, I know they got you to lose weight so that you'd look younger, but now that you're not fooling anyone anymore 'cos the secrets out you're an actress, you could think about eating more. You're looking quite shadowy around the eyes- I'm hoping it's just a bad makeup job today or you were out partying last night. by mimsy on 2006-10-09 00:27:42 so is the missing picture purposeful or is it poor continuity? it could be something innocent like... she was looking at it and didn't put it back. by platypusrex on 2006-10-09 00:36:26 do you know what's creepiest of all? how clean her room is. by platypusrex on 2006-10-09 00:36:58 Here's more: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/zodiac.htm "However, the Louvre Museum does provide a display of what it calls a Zodiac from the ceiling of a chapel of the great temple of Denderah (Dendera), though this Zodiac is dated to 50 BC (the Roman Period, after the Greek Period). For additional information (and a more serious discussion) on ancient Egyptian astrology, see the Tour Egypt section on this topic." The link "temple of Denderah (Dendera)" goes to a really nice map ofthe temple. Well, October 23rd will begin Scorpio (my birthday is Oct. 26th so I'm keyed into good old Scorpio). The red giant star Antares is called the "heart of Scorpio"... maybe Antares has something to do with the ceremony. This page http://www.sacred-texts.com/bos/bos564.htm mentions this: "But the Denderah zodiac shows the typical form. Kircher called the whole constellation [Gk] _Statio Isidis_, the bright Antares having been at one time a symbol of Isis." by annie on 2006-10-09 00:38:59 Also where'd you guys get Bree's bedspread- do u know if it comes in a queen size? by mimsy on 2006-10-09 00:45:52 The star Sirius is also a major star (and didn't Bree say she really liked Stars? -- she got badly teased because she was asking her teacher so many questions about stars). I know from reading archaeological hitsories of the Pyramids that the Egyptions saw Sirius as key. There is a lot written about Sitius, but here's one the goes into spiritual aspects: http://www.souledout.org/nightsky/dogdays/dogdays.html by annie on 2006-10-09 00:52:56 ooh Here is mention of Crowley's connection with Sirius: ""Acting on the authority of Aiwaz [his Holy Guardian Angel], Crowley was happy to supplant Mathers and his Golden Dawn by forming a new order called Astrum Argentum, or Silver Star, named after Set, or Sirius, of which he claimed our sun was but a reflection, or son. The order, which Crowley considered the truly occult representative of the Great White Brotherhood, was designed to bring out into the open the secret knowledge so painstakingly preserved by initiates."" http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/gnosis/beast.html by annie on 2006-10-09 00:57:09 *dang!* there is so much here about Sirius -- maybe it's way off from what Bree and her ceremony, but Crowley's tradition included it. This other page is Aleister Crowley and the "Sirians", and says "Shining as the brightest star in our heavens, the Egyptians based their entire calendar on the movement of this sacred star." (Sirius)[...] Esoteric writings indicate that the light shining through the shaft was meant to impart the starlight of Sirius to an initiate during a ritual. http://www.greylodge.org/occultreview/glor_001/unclealsirians.htm by annie on 2006-10-09 01:04:09 Hey Bree! Gosh, I really really really like your website! I think it is wonderful and I was hooked forever watching your video blogs. I just wanted to know how you do this?! What kind of program/camera, etc. do you use to make it work???This is exactly something I would like to do myself. Please fill me in, thanks! Take care by Katie on 2006-10-09 01:07:20 Omg. Your eyes match your sweater! hehe awesome. by Jadie on 2006-10-09 01:14:06 thas right Bree, let us know about your weird ass cult... but guess what??? After your ceremony, you're gonna be BORED!!! like, super bored. really, really bored. extremely, over the top, BORED. and miss Daniel & the life you started outside of your cult. ~yup~ trust me, I know. you're the kind of girl that needs to be stimulated & entertained. books, stuffed animals, or middle-aged Lucy ain't gonna cut it. by mdm. on 2006-10-09 01:17:48 Good video.. Hey, by the way. Daniel is missing you :( by Jim on 2006-10-09 01:26:55 why did this video just get taken of youtube? by nyssa on 2006-10-09 01:27:23 I can't be bothered researching. I just want to watch Daniel fumble around trying to figure things out. But if the creators are going to introduce Cassie they had better hurry up about it seeing as the ceremony is only a few days off and who knows if the story will continue after the ceremony? Maybe Cassie participated in the last ceremony and is now sporting a 3 month baby on her hip? by sanilynx on 2006-10-09 01:41:49 hmm, so this tells us basically.........nothing at all. boo. by Tony on 2006-10-09 01:42:48 Bree mentions that the sign of Cancer, teh crab, was represented as a scarab beetle. Well the ancient Egyptians revered the scarab (i.e dung beetle) because they saw it as a living example of taking sh*t, literally, and transforming it. Khephera was the Egyptian God represented by the scarab. In the OTO ritual Liber Resh, Kephera is the diety of teh sun at midnight. *sigh* this probably has little or nothing to do with Bree's ceremony. And, Bree: why have you not yet responded directly to Daniel?!? He's clearly worried about you, and is a true friend, even if he does have a wierd way of showing it sometimes. by otter on 2006-10-09 01:47:15 LOL! sanilynx(30) "sporting a 3 month baby" LOL :-D You are hilarious... thank for the comic relief! by otter on 2006-10-09 01:49:13 I posted a comment that was #25 but it got this "Your comment is awaiting moderation." and has since disappeared. So, I'll try posting it again. 25. annie Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. October 9th, 2006 at 12:38 am Here’s more: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/zodiac.htm “However, the Louvre Museum does provide a display of what it calls a Zodiac from the ceiling of a chapel of the great temple of Denderah (Dendera), though this Zodiac is dated to 50 BC (the Roman Period, after the Greek Period). For additional information (and a more serious discussion) on ancient Egyptian astrology, see the Tour Egypt section on this topic.†The link “temple of Denderah (Dendera)†goes to a really nice map ofthe temple. Well, October 23rd will begin Scorpio (my birthday is Oct. 26th so I’m keyed into good old Scorpio). The red giant star Antares is called the “heart of Scorpioâ€â€¦ maybe Antares has something to do with the ceremony. by annie on 2006-10-09 01:53:39 I think that the "Creators" are buying time until they figure out where to go with teh ceremony. This episode is interesting and it has the engaging formatof earlier Bree-vlogs, but it's also a big 'non sequter'. by Zach on 2006-10-09 01:56:46 I hope the creators consider that a lot of people expect something to happen on 10/12/06. Even if it wasn't planned for more than a hint, it seems like something should tie in with the story. I'm a big fan and will follow the story, BUT I also think that it's time to raise the bar a little. I'm just worried it will lose viewers if the plot keeps dragging. I'm thinking that something really big should happen. Maybe a big interaction between Bree and Daniel (as people have hinted). Maybe 5 minute videos instead of 2 minute. It sort of seems like the story isn't going anywhere exactly. I'm hoping that it opens up a lot further and we see things from Bree and Daniel that really surprise us all. Afterall, that's the way to keep interests up.. Right? I hope the creators pay close attention to us. by Jim on 2006-10-09 02:02:26 I'd also say that without any further interest shown in Daniel from Bree, it would get ver boring. The audience favors romance over history lessons for sure. Action and danger, mystique etc are all above the history. Don't get me wrong, the history is interesting and is probably vital to the story, but I just hope they don't get stuck there. Even Bree hints that we might find it boring. At least that recognition is a positive sign.. i hope. by Jim on 2006-10-09 02:07:35 yea! jessica...err...ummm...i mean, bree, dancing and having fun again! her videos definitely need more of that. it's good that bree addresses the nagging religion question, finally. maybe she can do a limited, "teasing" type of description of her part in the ceremony. nothing real specific, just playful hints as to what she will do. and maybe address the rampant sexual implications that many have wondered about. either a flirty little innuendo or shoot it down. depending on how you want the storyline to proceed. by Lureman on 2006-10-09 02:13:39 penny... thanks for taking the time to answer my post. I can see how I was a little bit too intense when i wrote it. But i'll try to tell you a little better this time why i think bree's parents are "abusing" her. [quote="Penny"]A lot of teenagers are told they cannot go to parties by their parents. BOO-HOO, big deal, it's not something that will ruin her life. So she snuck out, a lot of teenagers do that. [/quote] BO-HOO it IS ruining Bree's life IMO. You're absolutely right some teenagers shouldn't go to the parties they wanna go to. And that's up to the parents of course. But if you're a parent and you tell your kids they can't go to ANY parties because it interfers with the family's choice of religion... That's NOT cool. It's not even cool by the standard of human rights. Though you're right: neither swedish or US authorities can interfer as long as it's not obvious that the child is a prisoner. And that's why parents like Bree's parents can keep doing what they do... they keep it neat and clean to the outside world and even trick their kid into that it's normal to shy away from the rest of the world for a "higher" or "religious" purpose. But even if Bree is not a prisoner physically (she's not locked in and she can sneak out) she is homeschooled - and lonely. It's not right to isolate a child like that... no righteous god or religion asks their followers to do this. It's made up rules by parents or leaders to control their children. You might say it is to protect the children. Controlling is not protecting. Communicating and engaging in their lives... giving them self esteem and confidence. That is the only way IMO. Which brings me to my next point: [quote="Penny"] Sneaking out is part of the whole teenage experience...something that most teenagers do. [/quote] In one way I strongly disagree with this. OK it IS part of the teenage experience just like being bullied by friends at school is a part of the teenage experience. It shouldn't HAVE to be though. Parents need to communicate with their children and care enough to get a clue what parties they go to... and kind of what they're up to at those parties. Then they know WHEN to say no... and more importantly: when to say YES. Bree 's parents say NO every time. Of course she's gonna sneak out. OK so my parents were terrific and i still snuck out one or two times... so yes it's still part of the experience... i'll give you that. But a precious and wonderful, socially talented girl like Bree who has NEVER been to a single party? Not in a real school? Only has ONE friend? That's a tragedy! Maybe not technical child abuse... but good for her? no! If bree could go to a party once in a while she wouldn't sneak out. It's not whether she sneaks out or doesnt sneak out thats the problem. It's the fact that she feels she HAS to because her parents refuse to take her seriously or even listen to her. That's a HUGE problem. It's when parents take the easy way out and make up strict rules instead of listening to their children they take the real big risk that their children will make bad choices IMO. And even worse: when the kids sneak out and the parents just shrug and say "it's part of the teenage experience, I'll just have to ground her for a few weeks" instead of asking themselves if they could do a better job as a parent... Then it's really bad! Then the trust is broken and then the child doesn'tknow what to think. Or what to do. The result more than often: extremely unhappy and lost "lonelygirl17" or revolting and attentionseeking "sluttygirl17". I'd like my daughter to feel good enough to be just "coolgirl17" instead. [quote="Penny"] I don't know much about Sweden but if teenagers are allowed to do whatever the hell they want over there (with the protection of social workers) I wouldn't have kids. And if I did, I would hand them over to the state to raise since they obviously know how to raise kids better then the people who actually had them. [/quote] Of course you're right... it has to be a lot of obvious errors for the state to act. Though i think many girls in bree's situation would be better off having contact with a cool social worker or school counselor than having a young boy stalking her feeling that he has the responsibility to save her. Daniel and bree should be allowed to be just young and free... falling in love like teenagers do, no shame or guilt... and if they (GOD FORBID!) would fail to fight their sexual urges then their parents should have made sure from the very beginning their kids are aware of the risks and that they know how to use condoms. Many parents miss this and lose contact eventually... feeling forced to make up more and more rules as their teens spin out of control. Bree's parents put these two young people in a most awkward situation where bree isn't allowed to have any adult responsibility and daniel feels forced to look out for her. It's horrible! I should know because I have been that young boy. It was sick! I felt really alone and lost but still i just knew my girlfriend was miserable in her situation. It was unbarable. And there wasn't even any religion or cult involved... she just had overprotective and wierd parents who treated her like an 8 year old instead of 16. It was really subtle to the outside world - like in bree's case - and she seemed happy just like bree does. But I won her trust and out of the blye it turned out she didn't feel that great on the inside. (and if bree's blog was real i think she'd be crying a lot more too). Luckily enough i managed to help my beloved to summon enough courage to go to her school counsellor. It "saved" her - and me - from the situation (social workers DID get involved and helped her to find a foster family). But in the end it became too much of a big thing for us to handle anyway... the fact that i had been forced to be her "parent" or "protector" took out all the energy of our relationship. I had been exposed to dark anf fragile sides of her soul that she just wanted to forget and leave behind.... so she also had to forget about me. It was really sad to say the least... and many times i've wondered what could have been if we'd been allowed to just be teenagers in love and not have to fight to cut ourselves loose from the ridiculous web of rules that her parents had constructed. [quote="Penny"] I don't think people should beat their kids. [/quote] agree on that one [quote="Penny"] but seriously, if my kids grow up to be horrible teenagers who do things that I don't feel is right (ie: drugs, drinking, sex - yes, I am old fashioned but I don't want my kids coming home pregnant or with STD's that might ruin their reproductive future or even kill them, I would punish them by taking away certain luxuries I could also ground them or something like that... [/quote] and rightfully so... who wouldnt? (but chances are that your teenagers would be out of control because you didn't communicate with them from the beginning) My point, though, IS: How does your quote above apply to Bree (whatsoever?) I don't see her doing ANYTHING that's even remotely close to drinking or having sex. in fact she's so socially and physically alienated that she feels awkward about even kissing a boy. If you, as a parent think "well that's good, then she wont get a STD" then you obviously don't think of your child as anything more like a dog or a cat. (I'm not saying YOU think of your kids that way... your post later on suggest you really want them to feel the joy of kissing someone. but if brees parents were real and thought it should be that way then it would be pretty fucked up.) [quote="Penny"] whatever, teenagers do what they want but I don't have to make it easy for them to do it. [/quote] Hey penny I don't mean to be rude... you probably have kids or are getting kids in the future and I'm sure it works out really good! SO i hope you're not just pissed off by my post. But also I DO hope that it can inspire you to think that the statement "whatever, teenagers do what they want but I don't have to make it easy for them to do it" is not necessarily entirely accurate. What if more parents would rephrase that to: "When my children become a teenagers they're gonna begin to do what THEY want and instead of what I want. Therefore I see it as my biggest challenge/mission to be there for them and understand them wether it means having fun with them (or even partying with them) or reprimanding them.... or a little bit of both." I know you probably also agree with me on that but I'd wish for more parents to have it as their main motto (rather than "teenaers do what they do anyway" [quote="Penny"] I also feel that teenagers are too emotionally immature to handle sexual relationships but thats just me.) [/quote] It's probably true for most teenagers. But like I said if they should find themselves in the situation they should be strong enough to say NO! And also be strong enough to say YES! if that'¨s what they really, really want. Only you as a parent can give them that self esteem. And they don't get it by feeling ashamed by the fact that they have a sexuality. (once again i don't accuse you of this, because i don't know you or if you even have children). I had the chance to have sex many times before i chose to say yes. I think I would have said yes earlier and for the wrong reasons if my parents hadn't made me feel good about it and that the decision was my private decision and that they trusted me. [quote="Penny"] I don't think there is any evidence of child abuse here. She has strict parents but a lot of people do. [/quote] Some strict parents are really good parents. But I don't think that any parents who isolate their daughter in that way are good parents. What is the definition of abuse? [quote="Penny"] I think compairing the situation to that of girls in the middle east is quite extreame. [/quote] Yeah that was too extreme... I made you guys completely miss my point. Which was that in brees situation there are the same mechanisms (trying to control your children) in motion and that the extremely fucked up circumstanses surrounding some muslim cultures is where it ends up if you just keep adding rules mindlessly without thinking of your children as real persons with real feelings. [quote="Penny"] I feel that she should be allowed a few more freedoms. I feel it is strange that she broke her "purity bond" by simply kissing Daniel (that is pretty extreame to me ). I don't know what her religion is all about...I have read some about what people feel is her religion but if she is not allowed to kiss, that really sucks.[/quote] I totally agree... and i think we have a more similar view on things than i first thought. But perhaps it's because you're in the middle of or about to be raising kids... AND the fact that i've seen with my own eyes how decieved and betrayed a young girl in brees situation can feel deep inside without even admitting it to herself. My whole point is though that there's a difference between strict and insanely disallowing. And the rest of the society (you n me penny!) have to be very clear that it's not cool for our neighbours to treat their children that way. Even if it's their children. There's way too much bullshit going on in "happy" american homes in the name of "good (sometimes add "christian") family values". As closing words to this insanely long post (an essay in the making ? :-) ) I'd like to comment on the logic of comparing Bree to the real world. It's not entirely simple and I think that's the reason why we instinctively disagree on this (even though we probably pretty much share the same moral values). For me it was pretty clear quite early that lonelygirl15 is fiction... bree is a little too happy and outgoing compared to how isolated she really is. That's what decieves most people to think that daniel is totally crossing her line of privacy. If LG was a real blog it woluld be much more evident that it's her PARENTS who keep crossing that line of privacy and that daniel is just a lost kid who's concerned about her. And if it was in real life he would probably already have some adult (like his parents or someone from school) with him on the case... helping him check up on bree and her family in a responsible and relaxed way instead of chasing her like a paparazzi. So in that sense LG is quite unrealistic... but that's also good because it makes us discuss these things... moral values. For me it certainly brings up a lot of old memories and makes me wanna express how wrong I think it would be for real parents to put bree in such a situation... and even if i don't think that was the creators' original purpose to be teaching us anything I think that this is what they've found along the waythat they wanna tell us. by andreas on 2006-10-09 02:35:12 Yeah, that may be your religion Bree, but tell us more! Pleeeeeeeaaasssseeee by Charlie on 2006-10-09 02:35:43 Bree, you seem sad. I bet you miss Daniel even if you don't admit it. by LucyValentine on 2006-10-09 02:41:06 i dare say this is her hottest video. by early nicky on 2006-10-09 02:57:04 andreas # 39 I skimmed over your post and think I got the gist of it: Bree's parents are jerks and you want to hang out with "Penny" by sanilynx on 2006-10-09 04:33:37 Why doesn't Bree get really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really excited like she did before but this time be like a real teenage girl and try on all the possible outfits that she'd wear to the ceremony (black leather bodice with black fishnet stocking and a whip) ps Maybe even a black studded collar. by sanilynx on 2006-10-09 04:36:25 Yay! Owen's back, and he's contributing to the storyline! We all know who the real star of these videos is! Friend Owen on myspace: www.myspace.com/owentheturtle by Broken Kid on 2006-10-09 05:07:17 The extra days in the ancient Egyptian week were not weekends -- sorry, Bree. But, they only had 36 weeks in their year, meaning they were left with 5 "epagomenal" days at the end of each year. Those days were devoted to partying. Trust me, I'm an Egyptologist. I've done academic research at Dendera. I've seen the zodiac (in France and the reproduction at the temple). by Nemtynakht on 2006-10-09 05:25:36 Yea. That was kind of boring. by Toxic on 2006-10-09 06:04:54 Briseis, such a star. We miss you. What did you do with that Curious George that Nitemhe gave you? I've only seen it in like one video -- did you put it up in that sari thingy? And what is this "Zodiac of Denderah" business? You know good and well that it's turtles all the way down. by Merit-menat on 2006-10-09 06:28:53 HOLY COW ANDREA! You could have responded to my post in the forum about Bree where your original post was and where I responded to it. It's fine though (although I don't know if everyone here will appreciate all the space your post took up). I will respond to your post back in the forum where your original post is... by Penny on 2006-10-09 06:30:34 Bree, really cool stuff. i've always been fascinated by the egyptians, they were SO ADVANCED, all on their own, more than 5,000 years ago. We used to think Napoleon destroyed the Sphinx' nose, but it may have happened way back in 1378. Vandalism sucks. by milowent on 2006-10-09 06:34:08 I wish Bree would have explained *why* studying the Zodiac of Denderah was important to this upcoming ceremony. When she showed us that she was studying that ancient language, we can assume it's because she either has to recite stuff in it at the ceremony or she has to speak in that language all during the ceremony. But what relationship does the Zodiac of Denderah have to do with the ceremony? Writers, more info please. Thanks! by Engaged to be Married on 2006-10-09 06:43:00 dude! awesome vid! very fun. thanks for sharing. now we have a better sense of what your religion is about. i wasn't bored. that kind of stuff interests me. but i'm weird like that. good to see you so happy and playful again, and that you have more going on in your life than Daniel. But please don't forget about or dimiss Daniel. you should still deal with him and the unresolved issues. i'm sending some juju into the 'verse for you to have a wonderful and wondrous ceremony. i hope you let us know how it goes, as much as you can tell us. by sean stubblefield on 2006-10-09 06:49:00 fun! by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-10-09 06:56:18 fifty! woot! by Kimmie on 2006-10-09 07:26:25 I thought her video, was okay. I liked to hear about her religion. It sounds almost interesting (although I wont convert anytime soon! haha I am happy with my current beliefes!) But none the less, a new video is always good! by october17 on 2006-10-09 08:00:39 Ok... That was boring... Still no action... If there's no action soon, I'm going to forget about this site. by Tammy on 2006-10-09 08:01:35 ok enough with the "virgin sacrifice" and the "they are going to kill her" speculation. have you found in any of your research of either Thema based religions or Denderic religions any MODERN day virginal sacrifices?? No I didn't think so. I really honestly don't think they would kill her off or anything like that. So how about instead of assuming she is part of an evil virgin killing cult (and being a part of a non God worshiping religion does not make one part of a cult, and just because Daniel said she was in a cult doesn't make it so either, that is his OPINION) do some research focousing mainly on the realtion between thelma (i personally prefer the thought of her being in the OTO, there are PLENTY of clues to support this) and denderah. I plan on doing some more research today myself. by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-09 08:05:32 I think this vlog was directed to us and Daniel (but more for Daniel, specifically). She saw that he was doing research on her religion and so she told him (and us) more about it. I think she is still too mad at him to address him by name...or even talk directly to him. BUT I think its a start. I hope they start talking to eachother again. BREE PLEASE GIVE DANIEL ANOTHER CHANCE! So he followed you...(kind of a big deal) but he had his reasons...he is so worried for you. HE LOVES YOU! Please forgive him. by Penny on 2006-10-09 08:15:29 i do like these video clips dan is really missing u and u shoudnt let ur religon get in the way it really messs ur life up if u dont have i should know because the only freind i got in school is a different religon all im trying to say is dont mess u life up by sophiemich on 2006-10-09 08:18:35 I dont get it bree actually believes that women are holdin up the sky? or jst the methaphorical part of it all?....but she did mention the world being on a plate on the back of a turtle one....maybe she's jst high constantly it makes a whole lot more sense if look at it that way. Whats gonna happen after the whole cermony thing is lonelygirl gonna be over? by HowUdoin? on 2006-10-09 08:20:22 http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterOne/PhotoZodiacOfDenderah.htm Plagarism is bad. by Zamiel on 2006-10-09 08:26:20 Yay for the return of the random musical interludes and general silliness! It's what I've come to expect from Bree, and I was getting mildly depressed to find her sitting still in those sad, musicless blogs without even the least of camera tricks. I sense that this cult, if too far out, could start sounding hokey, however. Perhaps statistics or background on the commonness of such worship would help? Perhaps I just need to study up on my knowledge of Denderah. Again, love the dancing, the boa, the silly moments... Very classic, loveable Bree. :) by Lizard on 2006-10-09 09:37:24 Oh, and btw, don't neglect "Proving Science Wrong." I miss it! There must be a way to slip clues into THAT! And plus, P Monkey needs more screen time. by Lizard on 2006-10-09 09:40:23 Hey! They arrived at Denderah on my birthday! Seriously! Well, a couple hundred years earlier, but still! by MysteriousC on 2006-10-09 10:12:56 That zoidac is confuzzling me. Oh well! Maybe I can look it up when I have free time! P.S. If you want a place where you can clam down or just relax... The beach would be a nice place to post a video Also...I agree with lizard! P Monkey needs to do another dance or something! (and screen time) by Glinda on 2006-10-09 10:17:36 Bree, you should become an Onmyou mystic. It's a safer religion. J/k you follow whatever religion you want. by Soichiro-kun on 2006-10-09 10:29:12 S'ok S'ok.. don't panic :) Just been busy so did not get a chance to watch the vids until now. Liked it. A bit of an impromptu history lesson but still nice. The whole Daniel stalking things gets to me though, not sure it drives any suspense or mystery about things better to not see anything and leave it to the imagination. Still loving the persona Jess/Bree. So much reminds me of different girls I knew from college and Uni.. :) Keep up the good work.. I'll try keeping up to date when I can. :) by veritanuda on 2006-10-09 10:32:59 I think the viewers anticipating some sort of terrible ceremony are going to be disappointed. Seems to me that religious tolerance is a strong theme underlying Lonelygirl15. Bree's friends have been pretty quick to question her beliefs and terribly judgmental of it with scant to no evidence. It's why the girl is lonely. I think that people anticipating seeing the ceremony are going to be disappointed also. I think Daniel is not going to post it out of respect for Bree. I'll also venture to say that he will find the ceremony both beautiful and strange. And dare we hope that he will open up just a little and tell us what _he feels? by WriTerGuy on 2006-10-09 11:30:03 stop buying time and get to the good stuff ie: the ceremony, daniel, etc. by huge fan on 2006-10-09 11:39:42 Amazing :) Original and perfect storytelling technique for the modern world! Looking foward to more interesting episodes. It would be nice to learn more about Bree's relationship with her parents. Keep up the great work. by Jill on 2006-10-09 11:45:02 you are so smart. i love your skills. by trust on 2006-10-09 11:56:50 I think it sounds interesting too. Tell us more! by goofy on 2006-10-09 11:57:11 thanks Bree, this reminds me of your old 'Proving Science Wrong' videos. by IntriguedinMD on 2006-10-09 12:01:26 i jsut have to say YAY!!! OWEN!!! *runs up and huggs owen* i by peter on 2006-10-09 12:23:57 Well.. this confirms some of the research done over the past few days.. Hoping Bree gets to wear something awesome at the ceremony, after all the studying a little fun time'd be great! by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-10-09 12:31:45 Yeah, that was boring. by Liz on 2006-10-09 12:37:49 Bree isn't going to die. Bree isn't going to sacrificed. The only reason people are saying that is because of the "cassieiswatching" videos, which the Creators say time and time again they are not affiliated with. by Brianna on 2006-10-09 12:47:22 No mention of Hathor? She's the goddess the temple was built for. Bree you need to do some more homework. Ignoring Hathor when discussing her temple is just rude. by Phantom6 on 2006-10-09 12:57:13 I think it's nice to see Bree so happy again, but I wonder if she's truly happy, deeper inside, without Daniel in her life anymore? :\ PS: "Why doesn’t Bree get really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really excited like she did before but this time be like a real teenage girl and try on all the possible outfits that she’d wear to the ceremony (black leather bodice with black fishnet stocking and a whip) ps Maybe even a black studded collar. " I agree with "sanilynx". ;D by Jonneh on 2006-10-09 13:05:12 Hey Platypusrex. You're oblivious to the past blogs showing the picture of Aleister Crowley and the mention of Bree's father studying the works of demonologist Johann Weyer. Those aren't innocent figures or individuals who were the equivalent of hippies. Try to follow the plays. by attorneydc on 2006-10-09 13:27:30 not boring...fascinating by bellakins11215 on 2006-10-09 14:05:56 WHERE'S THE JUICY STUFF? by vikimania on 2006-10-09 14:10:16 I think you are hott! by Josh on 2006-10-09 14:20:08 Back in the olden days, astrology and astronomy were considered the same thing. Bree, mayhaps there is something about your religion you can use for another Proving Science Wrong? Those are cool. Let P.Monkey help. The mysteries and knowledge in the arcana of ancient esoterica fascinate me. They say every myth and legend is based on fact. Can you reveal what your role in the ceremony will be? by sean stubblefield on 2006-10-09 14:28:10 I wonder when Daniel will post a video. 532p by Jim on 2006-10-09 14:30:51 http://www.hethert.org/dendera.html by Frater Umbra Intentus on 2006-10-09 14:45:17 i wonder what this religion is. maybe the cerimimony is actually a wedding. her parents have aranged a mariage and she doesn't know about it. and that's the reason her parents had daniel so much. oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhh i'm a smart one =] by meg on 2006-10-09 14:49:06 like who is owen????????????lol i rlt like this stiory line here...except i havent watched all the videos yet...to much HW!!!!!!!!BOO by j on 2006-10-09 15:14:54 o owennnnnnnnnnn the stuffed animal!i love him lol by j on 2006-10-09 15:15:41 i love his pick feather boa....lol...ok bac to me figuring out wats gonn ahaapen next...do any of yall no? by j on 2006-10-09 15:17:11 attorneydc (post #86), Good for you! Glad you reminded everyone. I hated to post another reminder because I'll sound like a broken record, but really now, Crowley was a horrible person and anyone who idolizes his sinful ways can't be all that nice. Daniel's character better beware! by Engaged to be Married on 2006-10-09 15:18:02 bree seems less enthusiastic with out daniel :( by megan on 2006-10-09 15:33:36 BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ............................................................................................................ DOOOOONT DRINK THE PUNCH by Evan on 2006-10-09 15:53:16 I like #90-she gets married.Thats out of left feild.And would explain why the parents Hate daniel. Besides the picture of her parents being missing,did any one comment on the fact that she is wearing makeup?I think this is the first Vlog that she actually sports makeup,even thow she dosent need it....natural beauty and all. And if you go back threw the episodes every now and then she has her nails painted...prob. nothing...but then agine it lonelygirl15. Cant wait to see what people find out about this info. Thanks!!!!!!!! by JeffParish on 2006-10-09 15:55:57 yay for dancing and silliness again! ^ . ^ pretty interesting stuff about the zodiac of denderah. *scampers away to read up on it* by raine on 2006-10-09 16:02:41 You know, i was thinking. If Bree could sneak out of her window to hang with Daniel why couldnt he have snuck IN. I mean before their big fight and whatever. sneaking in now would be called breaking and entering i'm sure. but..... i guess this is just food for thought by Heather on 2006-10-09 16:06:14 Comment #44 Andreas has to be the most pathetic comment on her. You should really step back and read what you wrote. Violates her human rights? Thats really funny. by Jack J on 2006-10-09 16:51:42 ONOES! by !!!!! on 2006-10-09 17:09:37 i think she may be the only 16 year i know oh where sex if not and issue at all in her life by Evan on 2006-10-09 17:16:27 I noticed the candles seemed to have been lit, i went back and looked and they always look new, until the "What did Daniel and Dad talk about" vid. (remember that Daniel tried to light the candle) but near as I can tell the candles are new, so perhaps she recently had a vigil at that shrine. by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-09 17:40:46 Maybe her religion is telling as many people as possible about weird cults so they can do research on the internet and go to web site they wouldn't normally go to. If this is true Bree's ceremony would be her promotion to high priestess. Just go back to the good old days of fun stuff and general silliness. I'm getting bored. by Joe on 2006-10-09 18:15:51 This is getting really boring. How long are you going to drag this out before you move on to something more interesting? This is as boring as watching paint dry. Actually, watching paint dry is MORE interesting because at least it changes states. by Mr.Jeff on 2006-10-09 18:20:58 If you sign up for LGpedia the confirmation email comes from milesbeckett@gmail.com who I assume is the film maker assocated with lonleygirl15 by modelmotion on 2006-10-09 19:24:09 # 85 Jonneh is brilliant! ;p by sanilynx on 2006-10-09 20:18:59 Nice Video, but I agree it seemed more like filler, it didn't seem to add anything to the plot, I didn't find any clues, and I couldn't find any connection to Crowley or Thelema, except possibly the Egyptian refrences and astrolgy. by robtomorrow on 2006-10-09 20:42:41 attorneydc, #86.. and engaged to be married - re johann weyer and alastair crowley - personally, I think both figures were brought in here simply because they can be viewed different ways, for different things they've done in their lives.. thus opening the door to controversy and discussion, and our additional research. one theme that's running thru this is also persecution of 'witches' and those who come to their defense, such as weyer and thomas morton. am thinking it'll be interesting to see which way they'll spin it.. or if the creators ever do pick one side or the other. by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-10-09 20:44:56 Megthulhu loves Danielbeast by An interested 3rd party. on 2006-10-09 21:22:48 sanilynx and Jonneh are faggle for each other. by Tim O on 2006-10-09 21:53:29 Wouldn't it be funny if the last video was of the ceremony and it ended like those videos and puzzles with a ghost/zombie poping up and screaming really loud and everyone falls out of their chairs and that's it? Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeDS0xS89X0 by Wouldn't it be funny... on 2006-10-09 22:00:10 I think that LonelyGirl will end somewhat like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeDS0xS89X0 by H_K on 2006-10-09 22:05:00 I posted a comment that was #114 but it got this “Your comment is awaiting moderation.†and has since disappeared. So, I’ll try posting it again. #114 H_K Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. October 9th, 2006 at 10:05 pm I think that LonelyGirl will end somewhat like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeDS0xS89X0 by H_K on 2006-10-09 22:06:53 This experiment in interactive story telling, reminded of a project by the artists KOMAR & MELAMID where they took a poll of "what people want to see most in a painting" and then make a painting based on that poll. it included a sunrise, a portrait of George Washington, flamingos, you can guess the rest. by robtomorrow on 2006-10-09 22:17:50 haha by Dave on 2006-10-09 23:17:17 andreas, i read your comment, #44 i believe, and i was impressed with your comments. However I also think that there is a fine line between being supportive, accepting, understanding, and overall a "good" parent and a parent that just accepts a teenager as a full fledged adult. Hell, even people that are technically "adults" sure dont act like it, but that is for another time and place. Point being is that parents are there to try and teach a man how to be a man and a women how to be a women. I think that is fair to say that is a common feature in any culture. and for a child, when the parents act more like a friend it becomes problimatic. How do you tell your "friend" that she probally shouldnt being hanging out with so and so cause they seem like bad news? You cant be your child's friend and parent at the sametime. I am not, however saying that what Bree's parents are doing is right either. I am just pointing out that there is a line, and I think your opinion is boarding on that line. partying with your son or daughter? personally, I think that would be very weird and I personally wouldnt think it would be the right thing for a dad/mom to do with their 16/17/18 year old kid. I agree with you overall, just make sure you dont go to far with the whole, treat them like they are adults and know exactly what they are doing thing. by alex on 2006-10-09 23:17:23 Where is Daniel? Do you think that he has met up with Cassie and she's hotter than Bree so Daniel has been side tracked? He's a man-whore! by sanilynx on 2006-10-09 23:25:37 comment # 115 Wouldn't it be funny... Says: October 9th, 2006 at 10:00 pm Wouldn’t it be funny if the last video was of the ceremony and it ended like those videos and puzzles with a ghost/zombie poping up and screaming really loud and everyone falls out of their chairs and that’s it? ROFLMBO! That would be pretty hysterical. Although, I think most LG15 fans would go out in the streets and RIOT! The creators would probably receive hate mail for years to come. But yeah, thanks for the late night laugh...lol! by Penny on 2006-10-09 23:44:49 i really want to know how daniel feels about bree not responding to him at all by Evan on 2006-10-09 23:51:38 For a low, low $53.95 you too can have a "Zodiac of Denderah mirror. :) http://www.atlantisrisingonline.com/home-sanctuary-mirrors-c-3_108.html by Zach on 2006-10-10 00:23:55 Hi Zach #123 Can I borrow $53.95? I'll forward you my pay pal account (add thumbs up emoticon here) by sanilynx on 2006-10-10 00:40:48 hi um i really likd this video thing um r u still mad at daniel i would b if i told him once to stop following me and he goes and does it again well cya by sandy on 2006-10-10 01:25:34 Hi love your vidoes i watched them from the beginning! One thing i noticed was the picture of your family was GONE.... lol this movie was interesting!! by Hiya on 2006-10-10 05:23:19 Congrats! You're doing well Bree. by Mr.CBV on 2006-10-10 05:36:03 Too weird- even for you Bree by chloe on 2006-10-10 05:54:49 What i mean't to say was, Bree you do obscure much better than weird. Stick to obscure. by chloe on 2006-10-10 05:55:36 Sure sanilynx #125!! I'll be glad to forward that... as soon as I figure out how to sell this swamp er_ beachfront property I have in Florida. *twiddles moustache* by otter on 2006-10-10 06:51:13 (sorry to butt in sanilynx, but your post was too funny to pass up) by otter on 2006-10-10 06:52:57 I am in love with this show/blogs. I started to watch it after the not real came out. But i'm so worried about bree. If your parents aren't alowed to come that would be a big warning sign to me to say no. PLUS when is it? are we going to be able to see it. Daniel should sneak in....or hook her up with some spy cam. by Kandis on 2006-10-10 08:42:59 Re jc_gypsy7's comment: The Crowley/Thelema/Denderah/Hathor/Weyer angle is the only thing that makes this series remotely interesting to a broader audience than kids, teens, and kid-teen wannabes. Also, it's Halloween season. If indeed, things will climax on 10/12, or one climax in the story will occur 10/12, that was obviously planned by the creators, and and hence the general timing is not coincidental. It's the month with the closest connection to the occult, and so it stands to reason it's an occultic story. If this thing is primarily intended to be a boy-met-girl story with an occult subplot, rather than the other way around, a lot of viewership will quickly drop off once that becomes apparent and the project will spiral down into nothingness fairly quickly. Witness the Cassieiswatching phenomenon. Why is that so interesting? Because it's darker. It's the darkness tearing to get out of the sugar-coated Bree blogs. Jessica Rose is a pretty actress with an expressive face. I'll watch for her in future Hollywood projects. But I'm not exactly waiting breathless for Bree and Daniel's first onscreen kiss. (And the actor playing Daniel isn't likely to set the world on fire.) I wanna know what happens at the ceremony, and just how dark and evil Bree's "religion" is. And whether Cassieiswatching is truly a fan creation or part of the whole thing from the start. by attorneydc on 2006-10-10 09:44:49 Bree, your to cool :) I think it was interesting to... I wonder if Jessica Rose is as interesting as Bree! by Catherine on 2006-10-10 11:54:53 is there an owen constelation? by peter on 2006-10-10 12:21:53 robtomorrow said in post #111 "Nice Video, but I agree it seemed more like filler, it didn’t seem to add anything to the plot, I didn’t find any clues, and I couldn’t find any connection to Crowley or Thelema, except possibly the Egyptian refrences and astrolgy." Rob, you can find the connection it just takes a LOT of digging, you can find the connection, mostly if you look up the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn you will find reference to all the clues given to us. When she brought up Dendera I was annoyed because it seemed to throw my theory of her being Thelmic totally out the window, so I looked and looked and looked and TADAA!! I found the H.O.G.D. on Wikipedia and it saved my theory ;) Kandis wrote in post #133 "I am in love with this show/blogs. I started to watch it after the not real came out. But i’m so worried about bree. If your parents aren’t alowed to come that would be a big warning sign to me to say no. PLUS when is it? are we going to be able to see it. Daniel should sneak in….or hook her up with some spy cam. My thought on why her parents can't come is because of her birthdate. She is a Sag, and this is an important month in the dendric calander. My guess is it is her birthright to be there where as her parents dont have that right. Honestly people, would you or your parents let you do anything harmfull? Sure she doesnt know much about it but she trusts her folks and religious leaders and that is the important thing. You wouldnt let your kids do something harmfull on purpose and neither will her folks. by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 12:54:59 What was your theory again, DaraLynnie? Did you read any of teh refernces, similar to your links, that others posted? by otter on 2006-10-10 13:07:38 Hey moderator, I have been posting ALL day on the forum and here! I have access to hundreds of computers and IP addresses! You can't stop me biyatches! And BTW, I fucked Jessica Rose and she screamed REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY loud! Blow me asswipes. by Neil on 2006-10-10 13:19:15 otter, after daniels last video i did a TON of research based on what he said and I was convinced that bree was OTO, a sect of thelmites, then she posted about the zodiac and I kinda freaked out, so I did more research of the different branches of Thelma and found the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which includes Crowley as one of its members, heavy leaning on egyptian astrology, has ties to Thelma, tehy use the enochian alphabet et cet. Yeah I did read references given by others but they seemed to only explain part of the clues. if you find post #272 on Daniel's last video, I talk about the symbols that are on the bottom right of each page (θελημα) and again researched it out and found: Thelema is the English transliteration of the Ancient Greek noun θÎλημα: “willâ€, from the verb θÎλω: to will, wish, purpose I dont think its a mere coincidence that this word is there, and we all know that there is a version of the thelmic star (the Unicursal Hexagram, designed by Aleister Crowley) which is one of the common symbols of Thelema. Like I said, the research was good, but key elements seemed to be missing. by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 13:33:49 DaraLynnie (129) Thanks for your post... I just asked because others had been saying it was Thelema, too... (mentioned the Unicursal hexegram), etc. and part of my training was Thelemic (circa 1983-93), and there are obvious hints toward that but some things that are obviously "peoetic license" on the part of the writers... so I was just wondering if you had any different info from what had alreday been shared. There's a big argument right now because aseveral members published some of the secret texts that only intiates are supposed othave access to. I doubt this bears on the simple, fun story depicted in this vlog, though. by otter on 2006-10-10 14:34:05 otter- oh i totally agree, this is a SIMPLE story for entertainment only, they arent going to take something that one finds sacred (again if you find and read my posts its a big deal to me) and just splash it blantely on the internet. SOME groups do stuff like that to others to be sure (it's happened to sacred parts of my faith as well) Now since you have thelmic trainging do you agree with my analisis? I would love to hear your input!! by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 15:00:53 DaraLynnie #137 THe Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn was my first guess also, after the learning to drive video. it fit in with Enochian and Crowley, but I haven't found any connection with the Zodiac of Denderah, if you have a link please share it. by robtomorrow on 2006-10-10 16:13:13 It's also possible that LG's parents are merely witches. Gerald Gardner,the founder of modern wicca, based his grimoire extensively on secret OTO documents which he took along with him after defecting from Aleister Crowley. LG's mother seems to have been interested in the history of witchcraft and witch persecution. The video on Rosencrantz and Guildenstern ties in nicely with a major theme of Thelema and especially its "Book of the Law"--viz, that in the new 'aeon of Horus' action must take precendence over reason, dogma and other forms of weakness. For what it is worth, I studied Thelema quite extensively and belonged to Crowley's orgs without ever coming into contact with 'Order of Denderah' or 'Zodiac of Denderah.'But I was not high-ranking. by baphomet on 2006-10-10 16:40:52 ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Oh, huh? Is the video over yet? by Beth on 2006-10-10 16:41:18 This whole interactive vlog would be more interactive if bree actually respond to comments or aknowledge the comments. I dont know. by Tanny on 2006-10-10 16:49:07 It all makes sense if u read through this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelema#Crowleyan_Thelema From the (θελημα) at end of each page and all that if u wanted to see it for urself there ya theres the link for you all by HowUdoin? on 2006-10-10 16:58:47 You forgot the part where nicholas cage discovers the treasure in the end! by rei on 2006-10-10 17:06:24 Where is Daniel? His next video had better have something extremely revealing otherwise he needs to have a good hard look at his research skills!!! I think that he's met up with Cassie and they are making out. That would be contradictory to Daniel's nature. He's been so caring, always ensuring he has his camera while he's stalking Bree to let us know what's going on. He's considerate like that. by sanilynx on 2006-10-10 17:07:48 robtomorrow #142: the link that HowUDoin? left is a good one, sorry I didnt link to it earlier, I tend to be a fruitloop when it comes to things like this!! I do a lot of research on wiki, it is fairly complete and easy to use. Look up the order on there and see what you find!! Sorry again taht I didnt write a reference!! by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 17:27:07 What happens if they postpone the ceremony because of bad weather? I heard it's going to rain on the 12th. Then the writers will be able to drag this out even longer. We'll have to wait another year for October 12th, only by then Daniel and Bree would have had intimate relations (I've always liked that phrase) and Bree would no longer be eligable for the ceremony. They have ways of knowing if you're a virgin. I know what your thinking, they'll have the ceremony rain or shine. Maybe, back in the old days, but most cult members nowadays are "fair weather" cultists and won't go to the ceremony if it's raining or even a chance of rain. Why go out in the rain when you can stay inside and chant in a nice, warm, dry house. Posers Hey weird cult guys, if you're reading this post I suggest you book a Hall or Hotel conference room in case it rains. But bring you're own altar, Hotels charge a lot to rent theirs. Then they'll charge you even more for cleaning the blood. And don't even think about using the minibar. Who charges $10 for an 8 ounce can of pepsi. by Joe on 2006-10-10 17:32:35 DaraLynnie I have been to that link and also all through wikipidia as well I still don't see any connection with the Zodiac of Denderah by robtomorrow on 2006-10-10 17:41:40 DaraLynnie (141) oh I definitely think they have put elements in the story of the Golden Dawn, especially the vein of it that incorporates Rosicrucianism and Bree's mention of England (thatw as a major tip-off, wasn't it?)... but the picture of Crowley behind Bree's altar candles is a clash, since not many people who follow the teachings of the GD would put his picture in such a revered place. That's why I think that they have cherry-picked from various parts of the history of Western Magick, rather than sticking to one branch. To my knowledge, there is not a "real life" Order of Denderah... which keeps Bree's religion from directly offending anyone? Yes, it is fun, isn't it? :) by otter on 2006-10-10 17:42:43 I meant to mention that Thelemites 'work' the "93 current" (not the band -- the band was influences by Thelema). This relates to the Maat Aeon in what I was taught). This facet of the practice might have some clues about Bree's religion, I don't know. by otter on 2006-10-10 17:48:29 robtomorrow, ok you are right, I cant find SPECIFIC mention of the zodiac of dendera, BUT you cant deny the obvious egyptian influence and they do mention that they rely hevily on astrology so we can ASSUME (and yes I know what happens when we assume...) that it is the zodiac of dendera. Otter, the pic of Crowley really is the only thing that makes no sense in the whole scheme, he was a member of the O.T.G.D. but I dont think he was a "Grand Potentate" (such a great title!!) or incharge of anything like he was with the O.T.O. We shall soon see I'm sure!! by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 18:40:21 DaraLynnie, Crowley was (if I may say so), like an very bright, spoiled, egocentric adolescent, and he thumbed his nose at much of the structure and ceremonial aspect of the GD and the early OTO, sort of like a James Dean among teh school teachers. If you read some of his writings, (which we had to *sigh*) it' sclear that he thinks himself too smart for the "stodgy" traditions and fully plannned to "revolutionize" the practices. LOL! It looks to me like the writers are trying to take a branch in the storyline away from things Crowley-esque, with bringing this "Order of" and "Zodiac of" Denderah. Will Daniel carry this them in teh next video, or throw a curve-ball (time to do something, DannyBeast!!). by otter on 2006-10-10 19:01:26 # 152 i meant "theme" not "them" (i can spell -- can't type worth a danged darn, though!) by otter on 2006-10-10 19:02:35 DaraLynnie I don't mean to keep pestering you, but that is what I originally said in the post that you quoted and seemed to disagree with. The Egyptian references is something that many mystical societys have in common. There is a Masonic Lodge here is Seattle that has been turned into a movie theater, it is called the Egyptian Theater because of the Egypitian motif of the interior decoration. Astrology is also almost by definition a concern of the occult and mysticism. by robtomorrow on 2006-10-10 19:54:40 Maybe Daniel is taking so long because Bree's helper has a 'protector' and he's dealt with Daniel. That would make sense seeing that Bree has an important role to play in the ceremony and not even her parents will be there. Such a high honour would warrant protection. Daniel make sure in your next video you have a black eye and a cast. by sanilynx on 2006-10-10 21:04:34 otter, DaraLynnie and robtomorrow You three make me feel really lazy with your effort going into research.... Please don't fire me :'( by sanilynx on 2006-10-10 21:15:48 Crowley left the "O.T.G.D." after having a falling out with someone (it's on wiki, but it takes a while to get there). The zodiac and Egyptian temples and mysticism are what Crowley was all about. I think the pieces fit but because we're talking about a religious group that isn't very well known or perhaps understood of course we won't find their homepage. These groups succeed or persist because they rely on an insular group. by Sarah on 2006-10-10 21:49:11 Actually Sarah, sex magick is what Crowley was the most "about" and I doubt seriously that is Bree's ceremony. by otter on 2006-10-10 22:26:01 #161 sarah you wrote "These groups succeed or persist because they rely on an insular group." What does that mean? It sounds like the copy paste from a footnote on some academic's page. by Zach on 2006-10-10 22:33:18 rob: seriously it doesnt bother me at all!! when you pester me, it makes me look up and learn more, its like some fun little perverse game!! And now that I think of it, yes MANY religions have ties to ancient Egypt (including a fair few christian faiths as well) but I think it is safe to assume that the zodiac of dendera is the one used in the O.T.G.D. because it seems that they are the most Egyptially (not a word I know...) focused from what I can tell. (unrelated note here, I grew up in Yakima, which is about 2 hours away from seattle, and I am moving back in about a month...fancy that!!) sanilynx, you are funny!! ok im a retard and i didnt start researching anything until daniel's last video, something he said totally awoke a dormant moster inside of me and I am constantly coming back and looking up new thoughts related to this subject. (And really its also Penny's fault, we are friends outside of this LG15 world, and she is the one who got me turned onto these discussions in the first place, however I cant do the forums...too confusing for my little brain to handle) by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 22:45:14 Sarah you seem to have a kind of naive view of working magickal groups, but that's okay. This is just one that has it's own home page with form (check the good photos of Crowley's Thoth deck, btw)http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/ Black Moo Publishing (which does have online resources), is an oulet for people in the magickal community and some sonsider themselves to be initiates of the OTO, some are strictly Quabbalistic/Kabbalistic. In any case, secrecy of existence is not a biggy (secrecy of initiatory rituals and inner teachings is a different matter). DaraLynnie, I was convinced you ARE Penny. You mean you're two different people? by don_quixote on 2006-10-10 22:52:26 Don: Penny and I are 2 completely different girls. But we are indeed real life friends. So sorry to disappoint!! by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 22:55:26 sanilynx I saw you post 160... You are Fired!!! ... and re-hired as general manager. ;-) by otter on 2006-10-10 22:55:26 ooh otter i want a position too!! can i be the potentate!? by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 22:56:32 'potentate' has to carry the scepter though... if you're sure you want to do that... sure! :-) by otter on 2006-10-10 23:00:55 ohhh general manager is far too much responsibility... getting my PA to fetch me chocolate biscuits and tea... leaving work early for an "offsite meeting" which we all know is code for 'going home early to eat dinner' How about re-hiring me as the boom gate keeper in the car park? But I need a laptop!!! by sanilynx on 2006-10-10 23:05:03 god DaraLynnie and robtomorrow keep flirting with each other im trying to read the coments and ur all like OMG ur so funny get a room u 2 by yoshi on 2006-10-10 23:08:31 ooooh yoshi, are you jealous?? cuz if you want i can flirt with you as well...and just for the reccord it's "otter" that i am flirting with... so there by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-10 23:48:35 Shame lonelygirl15 got caught... i watched one and got bored by ME on 2006-10-10 23:55:35 DaraLynnie you can flirt with girls if you like. No one will judge you!!! by sanilynx on 2006-10-11 00:15:21 Daniel what the hell are you doing with your time? POST ALREADY!?!?!?!?! by sanilynx on 2006-10-11 01:47:35 Hey Bree, It's my birthday....give me a new video for my birthday gift! PLEASE! I am dying to know whatyou are going to wear to the ceremony! Did you buy a new dress? by Roo on 2006-10-11 01:53:08 tu eres muy dulce ..........cutebaby...........una nenita bella take care. bye your friend forever Jorge by o.O (Ãrâg0N) O.o° on 2006-10-11 02:14:18 Now I'm starting to get worried about Daniel. He's not the stockiest dude on the field. Maybe he's been dealt with? DANIEL NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by sanilynx on 2006-10-11 02:26:58 (just got to work *y-a-w-n*) DaraLynnie I'm flattered. I thougt we were just having an intense intellectual debate. sanilynx the laptop is doable only if you're going to sign on to chaffeur - 20 hrs.wk minimum. Or I can chaffeur you around er...I'm confused! :) by otter on 2006-10-11 05:34:04 (177) I agree sanilynx -- Daniel should have posted a vlog by now! Maybe he has kidnapped Lucy and is plying her with cheap beer to get her to spill the truth about _the ceremony_. by otter on 2006-10-11 05:37:16 otter it's a deal. you can drive me around while I catch up on my studying so I can participate in an "intense intellectual debate" (is that what we are calling it now days? When I was at high school we called it 'getting onside' also - there's nothing wrong with cheap beer!! by sanilynx on 2006-10-11 05:54:10 LOL! Someone thinks DARALYNNIE and I are the same person! Thats awesome. It would be cool if I had two personalities like BREE/CASSIE (I am not totally convinced of the Cassie IS Bree theory...but it would be cool if that was the twist wouldn't it?). Anyway, I am quite flattered but we all know that DARALYNNIE is a lot smarter and does her research. I on the other hand, did some research and didn't like what I found about Crowley (YIKES he was a dirty guy...I don't care how smart he was, he was nasty...IMHO). So Daralynnie is studying up and filling me in...thats not to say that I have stopped looking things up myself...I am just not reading as much as she is. by Penny on 2006-10-11 06:11:46 three questions: -where is Daniel? -why don't he and Bree comment on our comments/ vlogs? -why are some people treating this area like a chatroom? by sean stubblefield on 2006-10-11 06:13:11 Hey :) Got back from Kefallinia, so just checking the site out. Interesting stuff about the zodiac, I must admit I drifted away from the actual video side of it, kept listening though. Just a tip: your audio output seemed a little low, I had to turn my speakers up quite a way to hear it. But that could just be my setup. Liked the little musical interlude though. XD ___________ -LtBrenton Boring people since 2002 by .:: [ LtBrenton ] :: . on 2006-10-11 06:19:22 Sean Stubblefield you had three questions and I have three answers: -I don't know where Daniel is. I assume that Daniel is taking his time trying to research Bree's religion. -I think Bree is still too upset to comment directly on Daniels vlog. I still think that this vlog was in response to Daniels vlog but she is still to angry to address him directly. She saw that he stopped following her(Per her request. Second request I might add) and wanted to let him know about her religion. -Since when is there a rule about what you can and cannot post here? So what some people are having fun on here. I would much rather read those kind of comments instead of people making stupid comments about how they 'KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE MET THE CREATORS' or 'BREE IS GOING TO BE KILLED or BREE IS SHORT FOR BREEDER' or 'DANIEL IS A STALKER' or (and this is my personal favorite) 'BREE IS FAKE! @#%* GO BACK TO YOUTUBE!'...Yeah, I think it's safe to say, everyone is sick of that sort of crap. But whatever...no one ever stopped those morons from posting. At least the convo that is going on above has to do with Bree's religion (with some silliness attached). It's probably one of the more informed converstations on here. And just so you know, Daralynnie isn't really flirting. She is married. Daralynnie is a cool chick that knows how to make people laugh she was just playing along. by Penny on 2006-10-11 06:30:56 three questions: -where is Daniel? He's getting beaten up by Bree's scouts for following Bree around -why don’t he and Bree comment on our comments/ vlogs? They don't get paid enough? -why are some people treating this area like a chatroom? Because no one talks to me in the chatrooms :'( by sanilynx on 2006-10-11 06:31:59 i take it back... i guess its ok for darralynie to be flirting with otter or whoever i agree with penny that tons of people are making realy realy anoying comenta like u said... and the debate.flirting is 10 times better then those but for the record they were definetly flirting i dont care wut u say about her being married or somthin that was 100% flirting and dont say it wasnt by yoshi on 2006-10-11 07:52:44 Running out of ideas, are we, guys? Maybe it's time to hire a pro writer. Otherwise, this 15 minutes of fame is...tick tick tick...over. by Joe on 2006-10-11 08:18:25 Oh, golly (I just got a work break) of course I know that DaraLynnie is just joking. I'm not gay either -- not that there's anything wrong with being gay! Theory: the writers/creators are doing a social experiment to see what kind of interaction we revert to when they just leave the stroy hanging. I, for one, make a very bad guinea pig! 8-I by otter on 2006-10-11 09:05:35 Ciao. In questi giorni ho tentato di farti pervenire due video-post tramite YouTube e Revver ma non credo che tu abbia visto i miei video (forse è meglio cosi!!) Io non capisco cosa tu stia combinando con i tuoi video perchè capisco poco la lingua inglese. Mi piacerebbe tanto capire i tuoi discorsi e poter seguire le tue vicende nel web... ma mi sembra una cosa impossibile.. a meno che domani non mi svegli in un'altra vita. ps: se vuoi vedere il mio video forse è ancora visibile qui http://one.revver.com/find/video/NUMAC spero che non mi arrestino!! 6 forte!! by Daniele on 2006-10-11 09:18:25 Happy All Lonelygirl's Eve (or Breeoween) to you all... I've been watching the story, the fan offshoots, and the boards for a while... and I'm really curious to see where this is going, tomorrow or whenever. I am hopeful, but also a bit wary. A few folks have compared "LG15" to "Lost" in that many mysterious elements have been piled on top of each other without resolution and without an evident connection. I worry, though, that "LG15" may be following the path of that earlier J.J. Abrams effort, "Alias". That show had many intricate plots that were connected, but every so often, the Creators would do a 180 and switch things around entirely, often because of fan reaction. Things would be altered, simplified, redirected, and threads would be dropped entirely, as if they'd never been there. Bree's shrine image was once The Zebub Himself by most accounts, then Crowley, and now it seems to be something else. Occult references were made as late as How My Parents Met. Now, the mysterious religion seems to be some neo-Egyptian sect, with a pinch of Rosicrucianism perhaps. It's possible the invented creed is, like Theosophy, a mishmash of various faith traditions in a new whole. That's true of several New Religious Movements (http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/) and it could be true here. I just really hope that, after all this time we have spent waiting, the Creators know what they're doing. by Peter on 2006-10-11 09:26:04 MY GOODNESS!! I would like to apologize to everyone I may have "flirted" with either as flirting or as the"intense intellectual debate" or what ever the heck...Penny is right its not real flirting because seriously how easy is it to know if one is a man or woman on these boards? Pretty dang hard unless you have an obviously male or female name. But at any rate. I have nothing new to add at the moment seeing as how i have been awake for all of 31 mins. But NEVER FEAR!! I will do more research momentarily, I just have to finish checking my normal daily checking stuff (mail, myspace, youtube etcc...)Oh and I want to answer the 3 questions too! -where is Daniel? Daniel's mom made him go to Disneyland for a family vacation, and he was PISSED and a huge fight broke out about it "MOOOOOM! Don't you realize that I can't post a v-log from Space Mountian!?" It really wasnt pretty. -why don’t he and Bree comment on our comments/ vlogs? Because they probably just sit there lauging at us for being SO into it that they can't reply directly to us and keep a straight face. -why are some people treating this area like a chatroom Why not? I didn't see any rules forbidding it... by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-11 09:35:00 Perchè avete cancellato il mio commento? si può commentare solo in inglese? Why you have delete my comment n°188? only english language comment publish? by Daniele on 2006-10-11 09:44:14 Oh, good God DaraLynnie lighten up. I can only speak for myself, but I think I'm fairly accurate in saying we were all joking. *jeez* :-D I like your theory about Disneyland, by the way. by otter on 2006-10-11 10:17:53 otter i was still only kidding there too...really i dont care about anything but apparently someone was upset by it...UGH!! yeah i thought disneyland was pretty funny too!! OK I am looking up correlation between the zodiac and the golden dawn...again finding no specifics, there is a golden dawn order that meets at the "temple of horus" which is where the zodiac was found, but not much new regarding that...pretty frustrating to say the least!!! by DaraLynnie on 2006-10-11 10:26:36 Ok! I don't know.. bye by Daniele on 2006-10-11 10:34:32 okay--all the fat daytime soap watching/Internet trolling women--OFF THE INTERNET. now. go. turn it off, take a walk, put down the cookies. step away from the triple mocha latte. stop "arguing" in a comment page as if somebody cares about who or what you are. that is all. by Joe on 2006-10-11 11:12:53 Sorry for all my posts. I should be taking my meds (I am bipolar) but I didn't get in to see my doctor this month. I tend to have these horrible sudden instances of rage and I tend to do stuff that I regret later. That is why I am appoligizing now. I really do like the lonelygirl15 series and I enjoy reading all the comments. Anyway, I would appreciate if the moderator would just delete my last comment...it was pretty bad. by Joe on 2006-10-11 11:20:31 YaY its ritual/ceremony day! I can't wait to see the video. by HandOfKarmaV2A2 on 2006-10-12 04:21:43 Someone earlier reckons it's creepy to have a clean room. I LOVE it! I'm scouring the planet to find a girl like her. Attractive, creative, tidy! Anyways, enough cliche flattery for another pretty girl on the net. by Herb on 2006-10-12 18:14:50 seriously though, if you want a real man AIM: zlat541 by Deon on 2006-10-12 22:29:43 I work at Target in Nor Cal and we have the PURPLE MONKEY in the toy section!!! I just about freaked when I saw it! by Ariel on 2006-10-16 22:39:51 ........ by I Love Billy on 2006-12-10 12:25:52 LAST!!!! by modelmotion on 2007-02-05 12:48:44 ok kool....???? by bigrick0390 on 2007-08-17 13:29:21 so im going to go buy a purple monkey and keep it next to my computer in loving rember of bree by sweetgirl1742 on 2007-08-29 02:47:06 yeah that was very interesting. I am a very big fan of anything astrology/astronomy. cool video. by fallenangel81 on 2007-08-30 20:33:54 I'd really like to know what your sign is. I want to say either Pisces or Leo. I'm not sure. But if you could tell me that'd be awesome. myspace.com/1368019 by chubbybunny on 2007-09-10 15:43:57 this is around the time when i would really hope ppl were getting the message that this isnt a real vblog by rissa406 on 2008-01-27 00:03:23 I totally agree Bree, waaaa i miss BREE :( by bookworm-10 on 2008-04-29 16:01:14 opppps, too much of a spoiler for those starting out, soooorry :( 8888888888888888 8888881111888888 8888810110188888 8888811111188888 8888810110188888 8888811001188888 8888881111888888 8888888888888888 by bookworm-10 on 2008-04-29 16:06:47 what does the zodiac have to do with anything... like does it play a major part in the ceremony? by cleversmynamee on 2008-05-24 11:42:09 |