<center><iframe width='560' height='315' src='https://www.youtube.com/embed/LFRJ0iGTFRw' title='YouTube video player' frameborder='0' allow='accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share' allowfullscreen></iframe><br ><font size=4>Title: <b>Jonas?</b> posted by danielbeast on 2006-11-30 09:11:28</font><br /></center><hr width='70%' /><center><table width=70%><tr><td>first?<br /><i>by baddie on 2006-11-30 08:39:15</i><br /><hr />haha... sweden ruuules!<br /><i>by baddie on 2006-11-30 08:39:33</i><br /><hr />Nice! :D<br /><i>by Ryan on 2006-11-30 08:39:50</i><br /><hr />woot?? ^^   i got the the first one and the second one!!  thats kinda cool!<br /><i>by baddie on 2006-11-30 08:40:19</i><br /><hr />6?<br /><i>by rosieiswatching on 2006-11-30 08:41:57</i><br /><hr />OMG this is cool<br /><i>by rosieiswatching on 2006-11-30 08:42:25</i><br /><hr />i totaly agree with daniel...  leave her and go home...   she dosnt deserve you!!!   let her go to jonas.. and she can become his problem instead!!<br /><i>by baddie on 2006-11-30 08:42:37</i><br /><hr />oh Lord.

He's talking about going home.. alone.

Apparently the threat of the Order is not as big a deal to him as it once was.. 

So if Bree goes to Jonas', then he's gonna let her go alone and go back home?.. NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 08:42:57</i><br /><hr />firrrrrrrrrrrrrrstttt!!!!1!!! to say anything constructive....

I would probably leave too...<br /><i>by gnome on 2006-11-30 08:43:20</i><br /><hr />AWESOME!  Run DANIEL Run!!!!!!  If you can't talk sense into her, there's no point.<br /><i>by -trollbaby- on 2006-11-30 08:43:40</i><br /><hr />OMG!<br /><i>by Tessaroo on 2006-11-30 08:43:51</i><br /><hr />My first comment and I'm in the top 10!!!!

Amen, Daniel - She should stick with you - let her go and see how it goes.  Maybe you could find out what happened to her parents or stakeout her house?<br /><i>by audreyt26 on 2006-11-30 08:44:03</i><br /><hr />okay finally we all have said daniel should just leeave... now he is and im sad! this is bad news. but i think daniel is right about Jonas he's cute... but EVIL<br /><i>by Tessaroo on 2006-11-30 08:44:48</i><br /><hr />WHAT?  There is no way that Daniel is going to leave her and let her go to some strangers house.  And, DAN, I've got news for you...you know too much (of so they think).  You're not getting out of this, even if you do leave Bree's side.<br /><i>by bree_is_my_anti_drug on 2006-11-30 08:44:48</i><br /><hr />Yes! Go to Jonas' house!

::nudges the plot along::


That's the thing about this emergent medium of the internet serial... When episodes/vlog posts are this short, it seems like the plot just inches along at a snail's pace. Although I do like the interactivity of it, I'd love to see a more quickly-moving storyline, like what you get on TV.<br /><i>by papertiger05 on 2006-11-30 08:45:40</i><br /><hr />I think Daniel shouldn't jump to leaving Bree just yet. He needs to figure out what her coping mechanism is right now (hint: stuffed animals). If he can make her face reality, maybe she'll be more receptive to his suggestions. As much as I like P. Monkey and the rest, I think it's time Daniel maybe, um, hid them somewhere. It's time to grow Bree up a little bit, whether she likes it or not.<br /><i>by squirrelgirl on 2006-11-30 08:45:48</i><br /><hr />this could be bad.... but im leaving lots of comments! ecause i have never been so low on the comment #s im probably going to the chat thing now
did you see bree? she was in love with poor p monkey... p monkey is being abused epeople are so mean to him except bree usually.<br /><i>by Tessaroo on 2006-11-30 08:46:53</i><br /><hr />DON'T LEAVE HER DANIEL!!!!

Obviously she has no grip on reality, if you leave I'll leave!<br /><i>by rosieiswatching on 2006-11-30 08:47:49</i><br /><hr />i don't want you to go, daniel =(<br /><i>by alysaface on 2006-11-30 08:49:17</i><br /><hr />Sounds like those rumours about Yousef leaving the show had some fruit in them. It would make for a very interesting change in the series.<br /><i>by solochild on 2006-11-30 08:50:17</i><br /><hr />i can't believe you are going to leave daniel. they aren't going to stop hunting you if you leave.
 You saw what they don't want you to see. PLEASE stay and protect bree.<br /><i>by Killthesmiley on 2006-11-30 08:51:36</i><br /><hr />Does anyone see someone really interesting in the background? Right side.... is it a man in Balck???<br /><i>by rosieiswatching on 2006-11-30 08:51:55</i><br /><hr />Vivaaaa nuevo videoooo!!<br /><i>by chavi68 on 2006-11-30 08:51:57</i><br /><hr />wooh top 20 XD<br /><i>by kiteaura on 2006-11-30 08:52:03</i><br /><hr />y'know what.....if this is some lame f'ing ruse to dump Daniel and bring that douche-bag poser Joan-us in as the new leading man...i will dedicate my life to ending this farce<br /><i>by Slainte on 2006-11-30 08:52:04</i><br /><hr />Well, this is a terrible idea.<br /><i>by Jackie on 2006-11-30 08:52:25</i><br /><hr />and another thing....Bree's relationship with that puppet is getting a litle - a OT - weird. She looks like a lunatic sitting alone in the park talking to her puppet friend. It is just creepy<br /><i>by Slainte on 2006-11-30 08:53:12</i><br /><hr />wow this is the closest to first i've ever been :)<br /><i>by Kdoggie on 2006-11-30 08:53:46</i><br /><hr />STAY WITH HER, Daniel. That's what friends do. She's not listening to you right now, but friends do that, too. The Deacons are trying to split you up! Can't you see that?<br /><i>by SharpI on 2006-11-30 08:54:05</i><br /><hr />NOOOOO Dont let her go! i dont like jonas.... there is something weird about him i just dont like!<br /><i>by cacacarkeys on 2006-11-30 08:55:38</i><br /><hr />It's tru...he set everything aside for her...and she is taking advantage of him.
Daniel helped her this far...she should listen to him now.<br /><i>by Raquel on 2006-11-30 08:55:55</i><br /><hr />WOW! TOP 50! (Up to 28 while writing but I'm sure it'll have gone lots further by the time I submit!)

Anyhoo, are we forgetting the consensus that P-Monkey is bugged?  And possibly Owen?

This is getting quite cool now, with lots of different mini adventures with Gemma and Jonas... not sure about him, it does seem a bit too convenient.  Let's hope Jonas turns out to be 'One Of Them' and kidnaps Bree, then Danielbeast saves her, she realises how great he is and they fall in lurve :o)<br /><i>by Queeglesproggit on 2006-11-30 08:56:47</i><br /><hr />OH THE DRAMA.
stay with her daniel.
have a bit of a EXCHANGE OF WORDS and sort things out.
then party at jonas' house.
sailing party.<br /><i>by shock on 2006-11-30 08:58:05</i><br /><hr />Yousef wrote in his MySpace blog he was going to London... is he leaving the show for real???

 I really don't want you to leave Yousef, it won't be the same without you... 

BTW the Law in Order episode had the kidnapper holding a drink that looked like a slurppie.... it was funny. But they made Daniel look like a money-hungry dork... I hated it!

NBC had the vlogs from the episodes up in their website, a plug of this show would have been nice....<br /><i>by rosieiswatching on 2006-11-30 08:58:41</i><br /><hr />NO DANIEL YOU CAN'T LEAVE BREE!<br /><i>by kakako on 2006-11-30 09:00:54</i><br /><hr />#22

I think the person in the back right is just some dude in the park, but I'll check it again.  Yeah, he's wearing shorts.  That seems a bit casual for a Watcher!<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 09:02:26</i><br /><hr />Also (yes, partly posting again because quite chuffed to be in the under 200 postings), one thing...

DANIEL DON'T GO!

You're normal and that's very cool!

Couldn't see anything in the background apart from everyday people.<br /><i>by Queeglesproggit on 2006-11-30 09:02:36</i><br /><hr />I have to say that Danielâ€™s frustration is understandable. I think anyone in that situation would want to just give up.<br /><i>by manda3eb on 2006-11-30 09:04:00</i><br /><hr />I think Daniel leaving the show. If  Yousef wanted to leave they would have to write him out somehow that would be sympathetic and in character, and who can blame a guy who plays second fiddle to a stuffed monkey for wanting to get out?
I hope Jonas IS evil though! I think Bree being forced to grow up by putting herself in a dangerous situation would be good for the story! Also I'm sure that the creators wouldnt want to give out the message that meeting up with strangers on the internet is ok.<br /><i>by gemmas flatmate on 2006-11-30 09:05:27</i><br /><hr />Please Daniel don't goooo!! Bree needs you!!<br /><i>by chavi68 on 2006-11-30 09:06:02</i><br /><hr />Doesnt Daniel see that is what they want? Maybe those shots screwed her up or something...She can't see whats going on and she is lost, emotionally. She is just so scared that she can't cope with reality. She is going to need some serious therapy after all this is done, LOL...if it were real of course. Daniel just needs to hide those stuffed animals and sit her down, without the camera for a minute, and tell her how it is...Her parents told her to stay with Daniel because right now, Daniel is the only person that everyone is sure has nothing to do with her "religion" and she needs to understand that and she needs to grow up a bit. Maybe if they went back, it would throw the deacons off because they wouldn't expect her to come back...btw, Daniel needs to check those animals out for bugs or something...<br /><i>by Lynn on 2006-11-30 09:06:28</i><br /><hr />Depends how much he's into Bree.  If he's gotten that annoyed with her that he doesn't really like her anymore- then leve her and move on with your life.  He's given up everything.  It's hard to get back into school and stuff after being away- especially if you just leave for no good reason.  I know that they really liked each other earlier, but they weren't getting married or anything, and there's no reason to give up everything you have for just a girlfriend or boyfriend.  I don't think that they were ever serious enough for that kind of commitment, and Bree is getting pretty wacky.  People have been calling Danielle whiny, but I have to side with him.<br /><i>by fan on 2006-11-30 09:07:09</i><br /><hr />"I bet if I left right now, they'd stop following me. They just want Bree."

 WOW. Ok, a-hole! No longer a fan of Daniel! NOPE.

  "I swear TO GOD, that little rat it attached to her. It's like a cancer. She used to be smart."

 Listen, buddy, she is SEVENTEEN. She's SCARED, she's stressed out. Wow, I am soooooooo sorry about your classy, five star job and your school, but this girl could be KILLED. Her parents probably have been. Do you know how scary that must be? Her whole life is gone, she doesn't know what to do. She needs someone to stick by her no matter what! All you do is whine and think about yourself and grouch at her, while she tries everything in her power to stay bright, cheerful and uplifted.

 My God, you are a jerk.

 I know it's tough on you, but if you're not willing to do it, you don't deserve her. Maybe Jonas does.<br /><i>by Jackie on 2006-11-30 09:08:03</i><br /><hr />Did anyone notice that Daniel's video is # 123 in the url, and Jonas' is # 121 ?????

Where did 122 go?  Interesting.  Looks like there is something else in the queue waiting for us!<br /><i>by -trollbaby- on 2006-11-30 09:08:20</i><br /><hr />PS i don't think shots would do anything that long term (behaviorwise)- right?  I think she's just a weirdo.  Daniel wouldn't be leaving (typo in last post), I think he'd just be posting videos from somewhere else, like the other characters.<br /><i>by fan on 2006-11-30 09:08:43</i><br /><hr />I can't believe I just got so angry with a character.<br /><i>by Jackie on 2006-11-30 09:09:20</i><br /><hr />Well, after all he's already done for her, I couldn't believe the comment that if he left right now, they would probably let him go and follow Bree.  That's kind of crass.  But, that being said, I don't think I could stand driving her around anymore with that purple monkey permanently attached to her hand!  Just think of how miserable he would be sitting at Jonas' house with her.  Jonas doesn't have anything better to do, so he and Bree would probably spend all day putting on puppet shows while Daniel sat around lamenting the loss of his own life.  

At least he should drop her off at Jonas' house.  I think Bree has led too sheltered of a life to figure out how to get there on a bus.<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 09:09:32</i><br /><hr />Leave her Daniel! Bree is acting way to childish and immature! You have done so much for her and she doesn't even appreciate all your effort. I love Bree but it seems that her being naieve is getting in the way of an actual resolution. 
I also still think that there is something in P. Monkey that is controling Bree somehow. Remember Gemma said he was a wanker? He has some sort of device or chemical or something. P. Monkey defenitly has SOMETHING. Anyone else agree?<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 09:09:44</i><br /><hr />Sorry one more comment....GEMMA where are you?<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 09:11:16</i><br /><hr />Oh and ALSO- for the people who are saying that Daniel is ditching Bree and leaving her to her impending doom- realize that she still refuses to tell him what's going on.  He doesn't know what the danger is, and how much can you trust someone who talks to puppets all the time?<br /><i>by fan on 2006-11-30 09:11:17</i><br /><hr />DANIEL! LEAVE!!!!!!! About flippin' time. She doesn't care about any of the things you listed. She doesn't care that you left anything behind and she won't even talk to you about anything or try to find any solutions other than going to some internet boy's house. Please get on with your life, because running from the unknown with a girl that is talking to puppets while you could be in college is just... well you might as well start talking exclusively to the puppets if you stay with her.<br /><i>by Mo on 2006-11-30 09:14:38</i><br /><hr />#44 trollbaby

I would think there has to be an analogous Bree video.  Probably her conferring with P. Monkey as to whether she should go to Jonas' house.  I mean, she takes his advice over Daniel's, so there would have to be a confab of some sorts.<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 09:16:13</i><br /><hr />Haven't watched it yet or read any comments, but I notice this one has no summary text.  

Interesting...  I bet it's because he's too ticked to type.  Now I'll watch and we'll see.  :-)<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 09:16:25</i><br /><hr />*fingers crossed*

I'm just hoping that if any actors.. ahem.. have family obligations or such to attend to.. they at least do that and COME BACK when they're through...<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 09:17:06</i><br /><hr />Daniel seemed very unsympathetic in this.  Perhaps it's a trick, to see if the the Order is watching the vids.<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 09:17:42</i><br /><hr />Time for a quick bit of pop psychology...

Daniel: "hands-off" parents, left to fend for himself, is independent, adaptable, and street-smart--and clearly is a loyal friend but the way Bree is mishandling her problems is pushing him away. He'll probably leave her, for now, but not the storyline.

Bree: Raised by overly protective parents, textbook-brilliant but lacks skills to be self-sufficient. As a result, she's responding to the extreme circumstances she finds herself in by becoming increasingly separated from reality. Something will have to jar her back into reality.

Also...remember Bree was getting mysterious injections for the Ceremony? It's been several weeks since they've stopped...could she be going through some kind of withdrawl and could that be affecting her judgement and her sense of reality?

Last thought...if Daniel leaves Bree, who gets the camcorder?<br /><i>by Mr. Caughee on 2006-11-30 09:18:53</i><br /><hr />Uh oh. i  bet he is gonna leave and go back to school.. on his myspace he did say he wasnt gonna be doing the show anymore...<br /><i>by Cayla18 on 2006-11-30 09:20:31</i><br /><hr />Ooo... setting up the Han Solo moment!

"So you're just gonna take your reward and go? Well, take care of yourself. I guess that's what you're best at."

Then, at the last moment, the Millenium Falcon flies in out of the sun, takes out the two TIE fighters, knocks Darth Vader off into space, and frees Luke up to destroy the Death Star.

"I knew you were coming back! I just knew it!"<br /><i>by Dialup300 on 2006-11-30 09:21:57</i><br /><hr />Well I've watched it... sure enough he's ticked.

Good to see some really strong anger in the series.  Looking forward to Bree's reaction.<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 09:22:25</i><br /><hr />Oh no - poor Daniel. 

I'm back!

Bree needs to open up to him and not P-monkey. I can understand Daniels fustration but he needs to understand that they remind her of home and her parents. And they give her a childish escape - a way to forget everything. 

She needs to grow up - she's still a child inside. She's terrified - she needs info but doesn't know how to get it. 

Jonas is looking like an easy escape route. She will feel as long as Daniel is with her she's ok. But that's not true. She needs to realise the sacrifices Daniel has made for her - real life sacrifices... she probably doesn't realise this yet. 

Get them talking properly.

What I fail to understand is why she hasn't tried to ring home. Borrow someones mobile or use a pay phone and drive off quickly - some way of not being tracked. At least then she may get some answers. Maybe get Jonas to ring - that could be an interesting twist whether he's EVIl or not!!

Ok, shutting up now.<br /><i>by dumbhippo on 2006-11-30 09:23:32</i><br /><hr />I agree with both sides - Daniel should leave Bree alone for a bit, give her a wake-up call.  But I wouldn't want him to leave the series.
Looking at the subtext though of what he's saying:

"I bet if I leave right now they'd stop following me"

that says to me that he's gonna leave Bree, but not leave the series, think he's okay then find out he's still being watched.. he's involved now and can't get out.  YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!

Bree's bound to be annoyed about this video though - maybe she'll leave him!  Saying he's pushing her away.


***ps.  Anybody know if the Chat is working or not?  If so, got a link?<br /><i>by Queeglesproggit on 2006-11-30 09:23:51</i><br /><hr />#56 Mr. Caughee

I agree with you on your assessment of Daniel.  He probably will leave, but I have a feeling he'll come back to rescue her, just in the nick of time.  He has been too loyal to just go home and then not think about what is happening to her without him.  I'm sure he will keep track of her via her vlogs and then show up to bail her out of some impossible situation.  Then, hopefully, she will realize how important he was.  Absence makes the heart grow fonder!<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 09:24:03</i><br /><hr />**From the previous page**

eustacia_vye- if you're having probs posting on your home puter, my bet is you've got some sort of firewall set up there that's blocking you. I'd try disabling them temporarily, then log in here and see what happens.

you said you couldn't post from home. can you watch the vids?<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 09:25:47</i><br /><hr />#54 - Very well said. Hear hear!<br /><i>by Queeglesproggit on 2006-11-30 09:26:50</i><br /><hr /># 52 Krig

I'm rolling my eyes at the possibility of you being right - I can't stand the stuffed animals!  ARG!<br /><i>by -trollbaby- on 2006-11-30 09:27:55</i><br /><hr />#65 trollbaby

I don't know if I can stand to watch Bree talk smack about Daniel to P. Monkey.  Can you imagine?<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 09:32:34</i><br /><hr />krig- I agree with you, it would definitely make me a little nutty if my best friend was acting so oblivious to everything going on around. I can totally see Daniel saying ok.. enough is enough.. I need a break for now! But I agree.. he will show up in the nick of time, you KNOW, no matter what's going on, he just won't walk away forever.


Mr Caughee... I'm betting Jonas...

TherealLily - you know... you may be onto something... I think Daniel definitely had a good idea in drowning all the puppets - disabling any electronics before moving on would seem to be the logical thing to do!<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 09:33:19</i><br /><hr />FFFFFFFIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSTTTTTTTTT1!!!!1!!!111<br /><i>by General Firstsayer on 2006-11-30 09:35:03</i><br /><hr />Daniel seem ot be forgeting how sheltered she has been her whole life. When she was younger she probably develpoed "bonds" with these stuffed animals as, one, a coping mechanism for being alone, and two a way to help her express her own thoughts and concerns. She never had that friend she could call and do a pros and cons list with, so she learned to do it with herself through her stuffed animals. 
He may think she is being unreasonable trusting him, but she also maybe thinking of him, or maybe her parents told her to watch out for Daniel. Maybe they thought he did not have the best intentions, and she is probably now thinking that he doesn't since he has been yelling at her an drefusing not to talk to her.

Also, Daniel is retarded if he thinks they will leave him alone if he leaves. They would just follow him even more closely to see if he was helping her in some other way.

If he doesn't trust Jonas, then you'd think that that would be best reason of them all to stay so he coul dhelp protect her.

I think Daniel needs to bring himself back to realtiy. Bree never made him leave anything behind, he chose to becaus ehe is supposed to care for her.<br /><i>by ahooper2 on 2006-11-30 09:35:36</i><br /><hr />FFFFFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!111!!!!!!

*salutes*

Loads of information in this one... I'm a little nervous about him leaving. I'm sure he won't... He better not... *sobs*<br /><i>by TheGreenLaceBeauty on 2006-11-30 09:35:55</i><br /><hr /># 66 Krig

Ha ha no kidding.  All that nodding of her head and pursing of her lips...and wrist action (Oh I'm bad...)  Can you say ANNOYING?

Seriously though, it is not cute or funny or endearing.  I haven't owned my own stuffed animals since I was about 10 years old.  Gah!<br /><i>by -trollbaby- on 2006-11-30 09:36:24</i><br /><hr />Yes! nice one Daniel.<br /><i>by pushedbutton on 2006-11-30 09:39:42</i><br /><hr />back to the old grind at the gas n go<br /><i>by breecheese on 2006-11-30 09:41:19</i><br /><hr />sorry.. gas n eats. sounds like a classy gig<br /><i>by breecheese on 2006-11-30 09:42:09</i><br /><hr />Daniel should go back home and leave bree. What's the worst that would happen? He could always save her again. 

it'd be pretty cool if Joans became bree's love interest. 

This use to be really believable but now it's a joke. I'm disappointed. I love it but the plot seems to be going down the sink.


Perhaps the 100th video will be a major leap in the plot and everything will tie together. I guess itâ€™s a waiting game.<br /><i>by Pieh on 2006-11-30 09:42:30</i><br /><hr />well, this is just peachy.  Danial is all "oh, well i hate bree" and Bree's all like "oh, well i'm a gonna go talk to my puppet"  and Danial's all "oh well that thing is like a cancer, I better go cut it off because its her way of dealing with whats going on."  Somebody ought to slap that boy because he's bothersome.<br /><i>by bernard the grape on 2006-11-30 09:44:21</i><br /><hr />Well, this video hasn't showed up in the menu bar on the left yet.  #44 -trollbaby- noticed they are out of sequence and #53 Paulo noticed that there is no summary.  Seems like the Creators are either a bit stressed or trying really hard to advance the story quickly since the little details are being left behind.  Maybe we'll see a whole lot of plot development today!<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 09:45:35</i><br /><hr />orange shirt! and was bree wiping tears away with p monkey? :(<br /><i>by eno on 2006-11-30 09:47:50</i><br /><hr />Poor Daniel!!!  ;_;  I would be paranoid the Order would catch you anyway if you tried to go home by yourself.  Or they'd take both Bree and you because you were separated...  Ok, maybe not such a good idea for you to leave her.  :&gt;;  SHE is the only one who could make this situation any better if she used her head!  She knows the most out of anyone here!  And what does she say?  "Oh, I'm not ready to talk about it..."

When will you be ready Bree??  When you're unconscious, deep within The Order's locked down headquarters?  When you're grasping for life?  When they take Daniel and Gemma and others who have tried to help?

I wouldn't leave her Daniel.  You're too far in this already.  But I would take the authority to inform Bree that you two need to have a chat, asap.  And this chat should entail all she knows about who is following her, The Order.

As for going to Jonas...I would wait and see.  I want to believe he's a good guy, but who sits around all day long, doing handstands and playing golf?!  His parents are "missing" but if his sailing story is true, they most likely aren't living.  So he has not continued school, or applied for a job; he's just sitting on what they left him.  He doesn't even have any friends?  This doesn't sound like an ordinary youth...  Sounds very similar so Bree though, in that he acts elementary in serious situations as if nothing is wrong (i.e. goofing around his house all day long, alone).

Think about how far you would get with TWO childish people?  You'll be running from the watchers while Jonas and Bree do handstands with P. Monkey....<br /><i>by Morgan on 2006-11-30 09:48:22</i><br /><hr />When it shows Bree talking to P. Monkey, the picnic table behind the one she's sitting on is orange.<br /><i>by teazmcgeaz on 2006-11-30 09:50:06</i><br /><hr />Poor danielbeast<br /><i>by Owned on 2006-11-30 09:51:47</i><br /><hr />You know, I used to defend Bree's weird puppetry, but I reached a bit of a turning point in "Silent Treatment." When Daniel was talking about leaving behind his school and his family and his life, that petulant little, "What about MY life?" sort of soured me. I never thought of Bree as self-absorbed until that moment. 

The puppet thing is getting odd to me... Like, I need to know why she's ignoring Daniel to talk to a piece of stuffed fabric. Has Bree gone nuts? Is it time to put Bree in a special white jacket with a matching jacket for P-monkey?

That said, it would be wrong to me for Daniel to leave her. It's like finding a little girl lost in the woods and helping to lead her back out to find her parents. During the walk out, she might whine, she might be an annoying kid, but you'd have to be a jerk to get fed up and leave her to be eaten by bears. And you might even be liable in tort law for voluntarily undertaking a rescue and leaving the victim in a worse position than when you found her. (Slap me. Please.)

krig said, "I think the person in the back right is just some dude in the park, but Iâ€™ll check it again. Yeah, heâ€™s wearing shorts. That seems a bit casual for a Watcher!"

Maybe the Watchers realized their error by always appearing in those so-obvious black suits and are trying to throw Bree and Daniel off. Maybe they held a pow-wow and were like, "Wow, guys, maybe formal wear isn't the way to go. Let's try to look casual."

Subsequently, I believe the next vid will showcase a Watcher in a string bikini who took the principle too far.<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 09:58:21</i><br /><hr />Daniel is acting like a very naughty word. Stuff him Bree, do what you want he doesn't give a very rude word, he is acting like another very rude word! 

And that is my PG version, because I am so incensed by this video, if he wants them to resolve this then why doesn't he do something about it, like stalk the stalkers or go to the police?

He is an idiot<br /><i>by Georgia on 2006-11-30 09:59:20</i><br /><hr />Daniel- 
key word: best friend.<br /><i>by Vigilo on 2006-11-30 09:59:52</i><br /><hr />Bree-
Let Danielbeast be your â€œanimal spiritâ€ guide. Seek and heed his council.
To find what youâ€™ve lost, it may be useful to lose what youâ€™ve found.
End this runaround where it began.<br /><i>by Vigilo on 2006-11-30 10:00:21</i><br /><hr />Drown the Monkey...Drown the monkey!!!<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 10:00:52</i><br /><hr />All you have to do, is tell her stuffed animals to make her listen to you, daniel. How hard can that be?  let her see you talking to owen or thor asking them to tell her about how you're feeling and what you think you two should do. This pushing and pulling isnt working, you're going to have to play her game for a little while. sorry! I dont think she should head off to jonas's without you, if at all..<br /><i>by emmabee on 2006-11-30 10:02:02</i><br /><hr />While I don't think it would be a good idea for Daniel to leave Bree, I think it's inevitable at this point.  At least for a while.  

Someone mentioned that he might throw her stuffed animals out the window just to prove a point. I think that would be a good idea, or at least hide them.  It might jolt her back into reality.

If that doesn't work, he'll HAVE to try something else.  She won't make it like this.  Lucy TOLD her it was a good idea to talk to them!  If you ask me, that's just trouble.<br /><i>by BushMan on 2006-11-30 10:06:07</i><br /><hr />THIS WAS EXCELLENT!! 

I really like Daniel, not only as a character, but as a person, Yousef. Just from reading his MySpace blogs, I've learned how much he cares about his family and the other person in his life.

Yousef is a person of character and integrity. That's why it is easy for him to play Daniel, someone who takes care of Bree. He's been through a lot. We are nice to him here, but on YouTube, they make nasty comments and really mean ones. Some of them are very racist!

Anyway, I don't think he should/could/would desert Bree, necessarily. Quite honestly, she is acting more and more mentally disturbed. Long dialogues with a puppet in the park are abnormal, unless one is schizophrenic and really believes the puppet is real.. or autistic and enjoying entertaining oneself.  

So, Lizard, I'm with you, very much--in comment #82. Like you, I believe that ethically, he must leave her someplace safe.. or where he believes she will be safe. I wonder.. What about a church? That COULD be Daniel's easiest way out, honestly!!

Either way, she isn't sick enough to be hospitalized. I think he should just deliver her to Jonas and be free and get on with his life.. but he should try to deliver her there.

Sadly, I see myself being one of those pre-Jonas fans.. as I am a pre-Document REM fan. I hope it doesn't happen, but it might. None of us have ever complained about Daniel the way we do Gemma and Jonas. Jonas may have money, but that doesn't mean he can actually take care of Bree, esp. when he seems just as immature himself.

These are all my thoughts. Lizard, your comments on the Watchers are funny. I've always thought they were a stretch.. full grown men wearing dark suits to work so they can do surveillance on teenage kids? Do they get paid more or less than the "rent a cops?" (You know--the $6/hr security guards that businesses purchase, who don't even carry guns.)

Current marble loss.. 85%..

and it feels good!!

AH!<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:11:32</i><br /><hr />Lizard said:

"Subsequently, I believe the next vid will showcase a Watcher in a string bikini who took the principle too far."

It's so difficult to get it right these days.  I mean, what is Biz Cas?  Are jeans ok?  Should you wear one of those short sleeved button downs?  Really, when you're out of your Watcher cubicle, what do you do?<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 10:13:46</i><br /><hr />Something really weird is going on with the gestures.

Daniel, near the beginning of this video does a weird face scratch.  Jonas did the exact same face scratch gesture in the last video.  It was weird and idiosyncratic when he did it and I don't think it's reasonable to think that Daniel just picked it up organically--he's copying Jonas.

What's going on here?  Is the production team mocking us?  And our complaints that they use each others' gestures?  Or is there some sort of bizarre code going on?<br /><i>by Treefunk on 2006-11-30 10:14:40</i><br /><hr />#88 Bushman.. that will NOT work!!

One of the saddest experiences for me was being in line at the post office with a mother and 2 yr old, early Jan of last year. The little girl kept asking, "Where's my blankie?" Her mom said, "We left it for Santa, so he could take it to a baby who needs it. You're a big girl who doesn't need it." Moments would pass. "Mommy, where's my blankie?" again. 

I almost cried. Not all parents have a psychology background as I do, unfortunately. Getting rid of an object that a child or a disturbed adult is fixated on does NOT help. The fixation continues, plus distress and mourning.. for a long time. 

That post office incident was 2 wks after Christmas. Eventually, she will forget.. She forgets what her mother is telling her, but not the blanket. Losing the blanket was like losing her best friend. Parents, NEVER do this to your children..

Creators.. NEVER take away Bree's toys like that, OK?<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:16:21</i><br /><hr />P.Monkey must go down!<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 10:16:56</i><br /><hr />As long as Daniel comes back in time for the rescue... Really, I can see his point why he can't stand this anymore. I don't think he's going to get out so easily, though. I mean, as long as he kept Bree safe, there was some reason for the Watchers to just keep on watching him. But once that reason is gone, who says they don't want to find out how much he really knows? Remember Lucy and the pictures of Daniel she had on her computer? They are just after Bree? Yeah, right...<br /><i>by Dream on 2006-11-30 10:18:35</i><br /><hr />Oh man. Daniel, don't leave her just yet! At least try to talk to her seriously.If she truely will not listen, then you tried your best. For now.. I think you're all she's got. I wouldn't trust Jonas either, he does seem "fishy" (no pun intended..).<br /><i>by subucni on 2006-11-30 10:18:36</i><br /><hr />If Daniel leaves the series, my enthusiasm for this show will dampen significantly.  He is the most believable and compelling member of the cast and is a pleasure to watch.  Even in this video, where he is ranting against our heroine, he's made the most engaging video we've seen in a long time.

Yousef is easily my favorite member of the cast and, in my opinion, the actor best suited to this new format.  I hope the rumours aren't true.<br /><i>by Treefunk on 2006-11-30 10:19:42</i><br /><hr />Well then talk to your girl Bree<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 10:22:36</i><br /><hr />I think Daniel should stage another "ransacked room" and P.Monkey should go missing for a while, same with Owen and Thor, that will snap Bree back into reality, better to be emotional/upset than to be regressing with no emotions to show. Grab them while she's sleeping, stuff them in a garbage bag and put them in the trunk.... 

I also think she is having some sort of "Withdrawl" from the shots she was getting from the ceremony. She really has'nt been her smart self recently, though she was clever with the Thanksgiving video and doing a little thanks for all Daniel has done.<br /><i>by Aidan on 2006-11-30 10:23:55</i><br /><hr />Awww I love daniel and yousef. I really hope that this isnt the beginning of him getting off the show...<br /><i>by kellylen on 2006-11-30 10:25:39</i><br /><hr />Last comment.. I think..for awhile..

I wanted to add that children who are healthy will give up items they are attached to, at their own pace. Adults who are like this are usually regressing, due to stress. She regresses more and more. Her strained relationship with Daniel also stresses her out, a lot. 

#87 Emmabee.. Now, that technique could work. Play along and tell her that the stuffed animals are telling him that she needs to listen to him. It would work with a 2-3 year old!!

I watched the video again. #91, Treefunk.. You could be right about the "copycat" stuff. It doesn't necessarily mean anything, though.

I have to go and do other things for a while~LIFE~

Life: The condition of existence that exists before one falls down the rabbit hole of LG-15

Life after Life: The possible condition that exists if Daniel leaves and Jonas is the new star... 

(that's for all of us 30 and over. The series might attract more under 30 viewers to replace us, though!!)<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:26:15</i><br /><hr />I'm thinking that Bree was crazy to begin with. Those shots made her sane, and now that she doesn't have them she's gone crazy again.<br /><i>by Moondoogle on 2006-11-30 10:29:32</i><br /><hr />58. Dialup300
re. Han Solo

That is exactly what I saw.
Does that make Jonas her brother and Gemma Obi Wan? ;)

82. Lizard
I am hoping for thong bikini watchers. They better be female though or at least have had brazillian waxes.:)<br /><i>by Toad on 2006-11-30 10:29:38</i><br /><hr />#96, Treefunk, I agree with you 100% but I believe the rumors are probably true. I understand for Yousef's sake if they are. Daniel IS the most compelling and believable character on the series. He's my favorite, also.

My enthusiasm will dampen if he's gone. I hope I won't be so put off that it gets too damp to dry out..really!!

I'm sad about it.. and people.. stop advising Daniel to take away her stuffed animals, ok?

I can't believe I let Daniel call P*Monkey a "cancer," without being angry at him. He could call P*Monkey the biggest wanker of all wankers and I wouldn't care, honestly. I'd know that it is just him expressing his feelings in the moment. He probably doesn't really mean it.

Now, with Gemma...She comes across flippant and insincere a lot, so it is not ok for her to call P*Monkey anything, in my opinion. In the last video, she did do a good job acting scared though. I even felt sorry for her.

Anyway, enough for now..

Passionate fan I am..<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:31:19</i><br /><hr />Oh..and Creators.. if you think you can make us hate Daniel by making him burn her stuffed animals and leaving Bree stranded on the side of the road, you are wrong. 

We are loyal to Daniel.. at least I am..

Now, if he IS really who the Order is looking for, rather than Bree.. plot twist.. interesting.. pay him more money, Creators.. keep him..if you can.<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:33:21</i><br /><hr />Leave her, Daniel. Drop her off at Jonas's. Go back to school, make a life for yourself. (Of course, it would be sooo great if he "dropped her off" and then hung around in the woods by Jonas's to secretly keep an eye on her there...)<br /><i>by RaeRae on 2006-11-30 10:34:52</i><br /><hr />I wish they'd go ahead and put Daniel's video on the left. If they put him on the right, I might cry. Seriously. 

Now, let's say that Jonas is actually Bree's BROTHER.. secretly.. 

That is interesting, really.

#101-Moondoggle--Most psychotropic medications last 3 weeks to a month. She was taking shots more frequently than that. If her dad is injecting her with Haldol or another anti-psychotic med and making it up that "the order says I have to---I don't know what's in it," that is one thing. Another possibility is that Bree is imagining ALL of this because she does have schizophrenia... and Gemma could, also. Folie a deux.. long distance.. 1st occurence I've heard of.. but oh well..

I need to go..<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:38:50</i><br /><hr />oh #101-Her father could have been injecting her with a shorter-term acting med just to calm her down, actually. That is possible..<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:39:56</i><br /><hr />If the Danielbeast doesn't trust Jonas, neither will I.  

Bree should be more sensitive to the danielbeast.  He has needs too!  

Ugh.  It'll be sad for Daniel if she goes to Jonas's house and makes a rap video.  I hope Jonas is evil, and makes some revealing evil comment in a vlog and Danielbeast will COME TO THE RESCUE!  

How is all this going to be resolved??  Will Bree be on the run forever?  Will we ever know what happened to her parents?  

I think the next video should be Bree reading the note her parents left her to danielbeast!  Open up Bree! Danielbeast needs you!<br /><i>by Sadie on 2006-11-30 10:40:14</i><br /><hr />I just re-watched the video. A job at Gas'n'eats? is that what he said? Do they, um, sell slurpees?<br /><i>by RaeRae on 2006-11-30 10:41:44</i><br /><hr />Moondoggle.. In my comment.. I meant to say "injectable psych meds." It is possible to just take a shot once a month of anti-psychotic medication. This is done a lot with homeless street people who can't remember to take meds every day.. 

I need to go.. go..go..<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:43:28</i><br /><hr />#109 RaeRae

Well, if they do, maybe Daniel overcharges those who order orange ones.<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 10:44:13</i><br /><hr />#109--I couldn't make out what he said.. I don't think "Gas and Eats" exists.. We all KNOW he worked at a 7-11!!!! He just cannot admit/endorse the company, I'm sure.. LOL..

Current marble loss.. 95%

MUST MOVE OFF LG-15 PAGE.. MUST SHUT BROWSER WINDOW..<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 10:45:06</i><br /><hr />is that a watcher in the right hand background by the swing sets?<br /><i>by Slainte on 2006-11-30 10:45:43</i><br /><hr />You should leave her. She's not telling you whats really going on. She knows way more then shes saying. Just let her go back to her cult and go on with your life. This is getting boring already.<br /><i>by pink_moon on 2006-11-30 10:51:23</i><br /><hr />Jonas is hot! She should so go to him! But Daniel should stick around to make sure nothing happens.

Jonas and the sailing...Jonas and the whale....Don't know if she should trust him completely though, although Jonas turned out alright in the Bible<br /><i>by avalon on 2006-11-30 10:52:32</i><br /><hr />#113 We talked about this a bit above.  Either it's just some bystander in shorts or BizCasFri watcher.

Ok, getting out of here.  Marbella, help me close my browser window!<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 10:53:03</i><br /><hr />I really sympathise with Daniel on this one.  I would be just as upset but I'd never have the heart to leave.  Plus I'll probably cry if Daniel leaves the story.  

I remember as early as the driving video that Daniel was not in favor of the ceremony.  Bree got really mad and insulted but he was right.  Going back home wouldn't be my first choice either but unless there's something that only Bree knows, I'd trust Daniel's instincts.

I don't know what Bree's deal is.  I love my stuffed animals too but I trust my best friend's opinion more than my elephant's.  

And can I also just say that I love the people on this site.<br /><i>by Cara on 2006-11-30 10:54:08</i><br /><hr />*slaps Lizard*

Oops.  I think that left a mark.<br /><i>by jerik on 2006-11-30 10:54:20</i><br /><hr />LOL. P. Monkey is a rat.

And I agree with Daniel, I don't like Jonas at all. Not only do I not trust him, but his character is boring and lame. I had to force myself to watch the last video so that I would know what was going on.<br /><i>by Unfinished on 2006-11-30 10:56:14</i><br /><hr />In response to numerous "Jonas is hot" comments:

Man, if I trusted every hot guy I ever met, I would not have made it to 30 (probably would have been tossed in jail back there somewhere)!  Don't judge a book by its cover.<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 10:58:14</i><br /><hr />*finishing up reading the posts*

Wow. One thing I've noticed in the increase in viewer comment length and depth... there are a LOT of people in here  who are really taking the time to think these vids and all their ramifications thru!

Marbella - re Life after Life.. I've got to tell you.. If Yousef has personal things he needs to attends to and so is worked out of the storyline.. I believe it to be a temporary thing. I can't see either the actor leaving this for good OR the character leaving Bree for  good. On the basis of those beliefs.. I wouldn't stop watching!<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 11:02:22</i><br /><hr />lol krig.. For sure.<br /><i>by subucni on 2006-11-30 11:11:07</i><br /><hr />Lizard,

"And you might even be liable in tort law for voluntarily undertaking a rescue and leaving the victim in a worse position than when you found her."

So a coming installment will feature Daniel being sued on CourtTV.  Can P-Monkey legally take the stand?  And will William Hung get to sing?<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 11:13:21</i><br /><hr />I just rewatched the vid... I've got to say thanks to the Creators.. FINALLY Daniel gets a vid where he can really express himself!

My next concern is this:

Bree = lack of ambition, living in a cozy cocoon with her puppets, relying on Daniel for pretty much everything, it seems..

Jonas = lack of ambition, sitting at home, alone, with a ton of money, no job, not in school, and no desire to DO anything with his life..

If these two hook up and the Order DOESN'T come after her...

nothing will happen aside from them sitting around taping each other in the house every day, both missing their respective parents...

*sigh*

Since I don't think the Creators would go for that, since, obviously, their fan base would dwindle to nothing... what else could happen?

1. Daniel drops Bree off at Jonas'.. proceeds home.. and gets followed again, possibly threatened, to divulge Bree's whereabouts..

2. Daniel pops out of the picture for a bit.. Bree, at Jonas', starts seeing odd, random things.. ie, going to the puter in the am and finding an empty slurpee cup in the trash..

3. P. Monkey disappears, she snaps into a bit of reality and accuses Jonas of kidnapping..

k.. am losing it here...<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 11:14:38</i><br /><hr />First, I'd like to start by saying that I hope that this is not a plot device to write Daniel off and introduce Jonas. I don't like Jonas' backstory and Daniel was much more believable and likeable.

And while Daniel might be upset with Bree for her childish attitudes, I don't think he would just up and leave her. They are too close for that. I think he is (rightly so) worried about Jonas.

Now, on the matter of Bree's stuffed animals. Everyone keeps saying that she needs to take this more seriously, but in fact she really is. A common phenomenon is called the "Teddy Bear Effect" -- where a passive listener like a teddy bear or stuffed animal can impart wisdom to the speaker (Bree) without  doing anything.

Teddy Bears and stuffed animals were created to comfort children and we know what Bree is slightly socially underdeveloped due in part to being home-schooled and the strict religiousness of her parents. I can understand why everyone is upset with her for playing with P.Monkey when her parents are missing and she's on the run, but to Bree, it's like an escape from reality.<br /><i>by jd87 on 2006-11-30 11:14:39</i><br /><hr />Gah, this thing keeps eating my posts!<br /><i>by jd87 on 2006-11-30 11:17:32</i><br /><hr />THREEEEEE HUNDRED THOOOUSAND SIXTY SEVEN, FOOOOUR HUNDRED TWEEEENTY NIIIIINTH!!!!!!!!11111111!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!11111111<br /><i>by Rua on 2006-11-30 11:21:37</i><br /><hr />thats right daniel you have evry right to feel that way you have been her friend first and she rather go with a stranger urrrgggggggggg i am so mad<br /><i>by angelbrunetta on 2006-11-30 11:23:44</i><br /><hr />OMG, Daniel is such a jerk!  What kinda Orange Koolaid has he been drinking?  Go ahead Daniel, leave!  Tom is preparing for the Ceremony now, so it won't be long anyway.~~~~OPAPHID<br /><i>by modelmotion on 2006-11-30 11:24:02</i><br /><hr />Why havn't I seen any Jonas videos until now and everyone else seems to know whats going on?? I'm confused!<br /><i>by nancypants on 2006-11-30 11:25:28</i><br /><hr />nancypants - Jonas' old vids are on the right side... there are 3 there.<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 11:31:51</i><br /><hr />Ok, here is my final input (hopefully, for my sake, for the day).  Jonas may have the financial and geographical capital that Bree requires right now, but Daniel possesses far greater emotional and psychological resources...those things that can create the most supportive and realistic environment in a time when she has lost her family and home to an organization somewhat out of the realms of conventional reality.

Having said that, I still think the only way for Bree to become more independent and to stop relying on monkey-shaped crutches is for her to "work without the net".  Drop her off at Jonas', Daniel, and lets see what happens.

(Ok, can you guys tell yet that I'm an anthropologist?  Seems like Lizard isn't the only one bringing the work into the discussion!)  :)<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 11:34:02</i><br /><hr />Good video!
I think Daniel is speaking out of anger, and I don't believe he'll leave. Or, if he does separate from Bree, it will be to do his own investigating. 
Like before, with the B&amp;E!! I like the stealthy-like-ninja side of Daniel - and it could make for some exciting vids!
We could have Bree&amp;Jonas off playing drums in la-la land while Daniel&amp;Gemma - oh sensible ones! - do some research!
Really it seems to me that Daniel is too involved now to back away. He's too pro-Bree to keep his nose out, so he'll help her, and then the cult will stalk him like they are stalking Gemma.
Bree&amp;Daniel!!! :( I like their dynamic! Bree&amp;Jonas = too much separation from reality...<br /><i>by physphile on 2006-11-30 11:38:26</i><br /><hr />nancypants,

Previous Jonas vids can be found to the right of your screen, under "comments to all videos."  Jonas was also present in the chaos that was live chat on Tuesday night.<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 11:38:49</i><br /><hr />lol@ Spiletta!!

and apologies in advance, but I HAVE to do this...

GETTING UP AND STAMPING MY FEET - ARGHHH!!!

whew.. ok.. sitting back down..

sorry.. I'm someone who tends to act on situations, I don't sit back and wait for things to happen to me.. so at times, it's EXTREMELY frustrating, watching no one, including Daniel, make any effort to call home to check.. ride around the house, see what's goiing on... flat out approach one of the Watchers, out in public and go off on their suit wearing bleeps..

There comes a time when you HAVE to stop running.
Perhaps the next part of the story is Daniel getting through to Bree and them going back home to face whatever awaits them.

(One can only hope.. they've got to DO SOMETHING soon!)<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 11:42:11</i><br /><hr />NOOOOOO!!! I love Daniel...I loved that he stuck by Bree and her craziness and now...gone. Oh well, I can't blame him...and I like Jonas too. I think Jonas is trustworthy...but if Bree does go to Jonas's house the longest they can stay there is a couple of days...then they will have to run again...and how long will Jonas stick around if Bree is going to treat him the same way she treated Daniel?<br /><i>by Eggy on 2006-11-30 11:42:46</i><br /><hr />nancy- no one knew if they were part of the series or not until recently. if you want to see his old videos you can see them on the right hand side with the other fan vids. you will have to click the down arrow once or twice though. also im sure there's a page on him in the lgpedia<br /><i>by eno on 2006-11-30 11:44:52</i><br /><hr />I'm more inclined to believe that Gemma is keeping tabs on Bree for the cult.  Jonas is just some rich emo dude who wants to get involved with Bree's drama.  I could be wrong though.<br /><i>by thealphacrow on 2006-11-30 11:47:39</i><br /><hr />First post! Err, my first post that is.  I've just gotten caught up - watch all the vlogs in the past few days.  So I've gotta say that Mr. Caughee's idea of withdrawal makes a lot of sense.  Combine that with the fact that Bree's going through an emotionally impossible time right now and no wonder she's withdrawn from reality.  She's just unconsciously doing what she needs to in order to cope.  I also think dumbhippo's idea of having Jonas call their house is a good one - maybe he could put them on speakerphone so she could recognize their voices (assuming they're there).

Dan, have you thought of getting in touch with Gemma?  Maybe she could get Bree to see reason.<br /><i>by herebc_w on 2006-11-30 11:48:06</i><br /><hr />8- jc_gypsy7- I AGREE!!! He can't leave her like that... we need him for some of the conflict. And what about the romance we thought we saw??? But then, maybe he can leave, let her go, she goes to Jonas'. Jonas is a bad guy, Daniel sees a vid that scares him about Jonas, and so he posts a vid about how much he misses and cares about Bree, and then goes and rescues her!!!
14- Bree_is_my_anti_drug- Agreed. There is no way they will stop following him...
18- rosieiswatching- if you're using that as an excuse to leave, you were probably planning on leaving anyway. Therefore, no real loss. However, he SHOULD leave, then come back, if you ask me.... but keep posting vlogs!!! PLEASE!
32- Queeglesproggit- WOW! we're on the same page on that one... daniel needs to leave, then come back to SAAAVE her.<br /><i>by TheGreenLaceBeauty on 2006-11-30 11:48:32</i><br /><hr />krig, good point. i wonder what it will be like when bree and jonas get together, both of whom have crazy out of the norm home lives. without daniel to check them, im curious what kinda silly decisions they will make.

that is if jonas doesnt turn bree in to the order right away.<br /><i>by eno on 2006-11-30 11:49:19</i><br /><hr />NNNNNnnnnnnnnnooooooooo!!!  Daniel DONT LEAVE!!!

You ARE the only friend she has!  Jonas is hot, but not what she needs.

Yes, its tempting to go there.  Its a warm, dry, SPACIOUS house!!  And houses TRUMP cars and motel rooms ANY DAY!!  She's just as tired of all this as you are.  But you got to remember, She has nothing else.  She can't just go home and act like nothing ever happened.  And believe me, she probably wishes she could with every fiber in her being.  Hell, I wish she could.  The fact that we will probably never see a silly video from her little room ever again is .... well...... depressing!

As for the puppet and stuffies.... its her way of copying.  Hell, what would you do if YOUR parents upped and disappeared!?  Especially since her parents are pretty much ALL she knows.

The only other being she knows really REALLY well, is you.

Don't bail on her.

I know you have given up everything for her.  Why?  Because you love her.  

So, tell her.  Let her take comfort in YOU!!!  Only then will she turn away from P.  She cuddles with the stuffies because she needs the contact.  And let her know how you feel about Jonas.

However, eventually you too are going to HAVE to trust SOMEBODY!!!  You can't run for ever.

I dunno.... pack up and go back to England?  Couple up, get a place and study abroad?? ;0)

Whatever you do, don't leave.  

Whew!  That all been ranted....

I have to say Logging in SUCKS!!

I hope I didn't miss important comments in the thread.  I didn't have time to read all of it before posting. :0(

Hopelessly Addicted!!!<br /><i>by kidlit on 2006-11-30 11:51:27</i><br /><hr />I think it goes like this:

As krig (#130) alluded to, there seems to be a dichotomy of personalities in this series. On one side you have reason - symbolized by Daniel and Gemma, and on the other side you have fantasy - symbolized by Bree and Jonas. 

Bree&amp;Daniel were - are - a great combination because the extremums of their personalities are softened when they act together. If Bree leaves now and goes to Jonas, I feel like it would symbolize her complete breach with reason and reality and her decent into chaotic, unpredictable fantasy. 

If Bree would like to fix her situation - she needs to stay with Daniel. If Bree would like to let her situation fix her - she should go to Jonas. The decision, it seems to me, is ultimately not Daniel's. You can try to help a person, but you cannot force your help upon them. Do you want Daniel's help - real, actual help - or not, Bree?<br /><i>by physphile on 2006-11-30 11:51:53</i><br /><hr />I'd like to pose a question here, folks.. 

I'm curious what the overwhelming position is!

Would you rather see:

A. Bree gives in and goes back home with Daniel, where weirdness commences full speed

B. Bree gets dropped off at Jonas', weirdness commences, but since she's on the loony side at the moment, we don't know WHAT to believe.. but Daniel eventually comes to the rescue<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 11:57:12</i><br /><hr />Daniel DONâ€™T GO!!! Bree does still need you and this series would get super lame without you around. You're good at stalking. Maybe you should take some time to stake out Jonas's place. See what he's up to. See who he hangs out with. If you don't feel good about it tell Bree why. Bree needs strong evidence before she will believe anything anyone says. Remember...she didn't believe your opinions about the religion until after you showed her evidence that something was wrong. Same thing...show her some evidence that staying with Jonas is a bad idea. If she sees some evidence she might snap back to reality. I also think itâ€™s time you and Bree get off the Defensive and get on the Offensive in regard to Breeâ€™s cult/religion. Quit running and start watching them. Find Breeâ€™s parents and help them escape. Film the strange eerie things about the cult and send what youâ€™ve filmed to the news media. Not everyone in this world is a member of this cult and if the cult is exposed there are more of us than there are of them. Weâ€™ll get them shaking in their boots! Right on! Letâ€™s GO KICK SOME TRASH!<br /><i>by froppo on 2006-11-30 12:01:57</i><br /><hr />I'd like to be surprised.  I suspect that badness lurks in both options, and completely avoiding said badness is a bit dull.  We learned more when Bree and Daniel were not on speaking terms.  If they're apart, then they can talk about each other, send each other messages, and act independently.  Not that Bree seems up for any action at the moment.  Jonas?  Possibly evil.  Or possibly a redshirt.  Time will tell.  

Is Gemma still alive?<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 12:04:36</i><br /><hr />Run Daniel, Run.  Bree is totally not taking this seriously.

Let her go to this "Jonas" guy if that's what she wants.  You have done sooooo much for her and it's like she's not willing to make any reasonable decisions anymore.  It could be the stress of not knowing where her parents are but....GOD!!!  It's time to grow up, sweetie.  People have horrible things happen in their lives and they have to mature and deal with them.

If she wants to remain a child, treat her like a child and send her to a new babysitter.

You'd better register for classes soon, dude.<br /><i>by Cici on 2006-11-30 12:05:24</i><br /><hr />I'm trying to get in the  chat but it wont let me and it keeps saying members only. I'm a member darnit<br /><i>by Lisa on 2006-11-30 12:07:37</i><br /><hr />This is one of my favourite videos in the last while. Daniel came across as very real and how I'd think someone in his position would act.

In trying to guess what will come out of this I'm thinking for the next video either:

Gemma agrees with Daniel about not trusting Jonas, tells Bree to stay with Daniel.

Or 

Bree makes a pouty video about how Daniel is acting so mean and Jonas is so nice and she doesn't understand why Daniel is acting this way and that they should go stay with him.

Bree is clearly behaving like someone disassociating from reality. She is acting like many people I've known who disassociate. It makes sense due to her sheltered upbringing and current situation. However as a viewer I get annoyed by the abundance of cutesy stuffed animal talk amongst the drama.

Overall I see the storyline progressing to be Bree going to meet with Jonas and Daniel leaving to return to his life. For a while I think the videos with go back to a more light feel with maybe a "proving science wrong" video. Bree will mention missing Daniel, talk about how sweet Jonas is and an attraction for him. Maybe a slight chance a Daniel video back at home saying he hopes for the best and maybe they were being paranoid all along. 

Eventually trouble will happen. I can't decide if Jonas is evil or not yet. It would be a cliche if he is so time will tell. I do see Daniel returning to save the day whenever Bree does need a true knight in shining armor though.<br /><i>by ComicBookGreek on 2006-11-30 12:08:15</i><br /><hr />I swear, this is the last one.  (Grr...so mad at myself.  Promising to start LonelyCrack rehab tomorrow...)

Physphile (#141) - I think you are spot on on your character assessments.  I would like to see the pairing of Bree and Daniel persist, as it would seem to symbolize a "complete" human being: a dose of rational action combined with the bit of escapism we need in order to deal with our own personal realities.  Unfortunately, this does not add up to two independent people.  

I do agree that if Bree really wants to fix the situation, she should stay with Daniel, but at this point, I am not sure if she is capable of that.  

In order for them both to become fully developed individuals, she needs to be separated from him and bear the consequences of living outside of reason and reality.  Daniel needs to come to terms with the depth of his feeling towards Bree (many of us think he loves her and should just admit it), but probably won't until he is truly separated from her and realizes the mistake of being rational all of the time.  

I still think she needs to go to Jonas for a serious wake-up call.  Even if he isn't evil, this will come when something bad DOES happen to them and she doesn't have Daniel anymore.  And Daniel definitely needs some emotional distance for awhile.

These people are not real.  These people are not real.  Get back to work!  Aaaaagh!<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 12:13:04</i><br /><hr />Man now I got myself all worked up. If you see that bald dude in black or whatever...don't hesitate to beat the crap out of him. Break one of his legs and threaten to break his other leg if he continues to follow you and Bree! Then send him with a message back to the cult that if you even feel somebody behind you and Bree, there is no measure to how fast and how hard you will bring this fight to their doorstep. Yeah go Jason Bourne on them! It's time for you to be a man and show Bree what you're made of!<br /><i>by froppo on 2006-11-30 12:14:01</i><br /><hr />Daniel is a jerk. If he doesn't want her to go I don't think this is the mature way of telling her. It must be hard for Bree to loose her parents and HER life AND have to take care of such an angry child.<br /><i>by Kit. on 2006-11-30 12:19:08</i><br /><hr />I think Daniel should leave. Not that i want him out of the story but look how much he's given up! I feel sory for the guy &amp; bree doesnt deserve such a good friend if this is the way she treats him.

He should take her to jonas's and then go back home, have a life, and keep in touch with the two thru vlogs. And maybe visit her every now or then.

OR: he should go with Bree to stay with Jonas and they'll become the 'Children of Anchor Cove'!!!<br /><i>by Panda on 2006-11-30 12:19:13</i><br /><hr />I dont know about you, but i i thought that episode was hilarious.
I also think daniel should leave bree
shes a BITCH for doing that to daniel....
You can hate me for saying that, but shes juvenile!<br /><i>by Allamericangirl on 2006-11-30 12:21:20</i><br /><hr />I think my favorite vid is the response vid "Owen On Survival" -- that really cracks me up.<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 12:21:29</i><br /><hr />#149 
- I agree Bree should get some super hero training or at least a gun.<br /><i>by Kit. on 2006-11-30 12:23:07</i><br /><hr />p monkey is a cancer.... hes frikkin bugged<br /><i>by Allamericangirl on 2006-11-30 12:25:19</i><br /><hr />Please stop making these videos. They are so fucking retarded and these two people are both annoying as shit. Daniel's a big pussy and Bree, I have a feeling, is autistic or something. This story used to be cool...back in the Proving Science Wrong days..now..just fucking pointless. You seriously thinks the cops are behind that? Please..you're entire world is fake and stupid. Make the story where this shit stops and go back to the way it used to..then it will be worth watching.<br /><i>by piphiemily on 2006-11-30 12:25:23</i><br /><hr />Spiletta - mine is P. Monkey In Charge.  hehe.. specially when he changes the annimals' listing to himself only and is about to delete Gemma...<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 12:26:07</i><br /><hr />Here's what I hope happens:
-Daniel does leave for awhile, we don't hear from him, assume he's returned to life as usual
-Bree does go to stay with Jonas, Jonas is evil, it's a trap
-Bree is in trouble, looks like it's the end, Daniel shows up &amp; saves the day


I do NOT want Daniel to leave for good &amp; I do NOT want Jonas to be a permanent character. 

I also want to add that I'm losing interest in this whole religion/cult/on the run thing. It's gone on so long, with a few intense episodes here and there. I'm just ready for it to come to a climax already, so we can move on to another story line.<br /><i>by justagirl on 2006-11-30 12:26:49</i><br /><hr />NEWSFLASH:  LNN is now reporting that the CIA has just intercepted a message being sent out from The Order.  The decrypted message read, "If he harms the Monkey, eliminate him."  Apparently the source of the transmission was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Skull_and_Bones_tomb.jpg .<br /><i>by modelmotion on 2006-11-30 12:28:49</i><br /><hr />158 - I agree this is waaaayyy too much running.

I would like to see some ACTION yay! but that's just me. :o

157 - I do like the ultimate storyline, if they get it moving, sooooo no lg15 deletion.<br /><i>by Kit. on 2006-11-30 12:33:32</i><br /><hr />oooooo....or what else would be good is this:

-Daniel goes back to life as usual.
-Jonas is not part of the cult, but is just simply an untrustworthy guy.
-Bree stays with Jonas.
-Jonas starts taking advantage of Bree.
-Daniel shows up and there is a fight between Jonas and Daniel. It would be cool to see Daniel punch Jonas.
-Next video is of Bree and Daniel. Daniel has some cuts and bruises on his face. Bree realizes how great Daniel is. And kisses his boo-boos! Haha. No, seriously though, she should give him a kiss on the cheek.
-Then hurry up and resolve the whole cult thing.
-Then we can get on to Bree &amp; Daniel dating...and then some other twist can come into the storyline.<br /><i>by justagirl on 2006-11-30 12:40:07</i><br /><hr />#34 rosieiswatching, I read that on Yousef's myspace also.  Maybe he is just taking a break and this is the way they could write it into the story.  I'll miss him if he leaves for good. :(

#131 physphile
I agree, that is actually a believable direction for the plot. Daniel did do his own investigating into her religion a long time ago.

A lot of people are suggesting that Bree is acting strangely because the drugs are wearing off.  What if it's just the opposite?  Maybe the watchers, who've been following her, are secretly putting drugs in their food.  Because, so far, we haven't figured out why they are following if they haven't actually tried to grab Bree.

Jonas is cute, but I don't know if I'd trust him either.  I guess Bree, being naive, doesn't think anything bad will happen.  Thank goodness, Daniel has some common sense.  

Daniel, you should take everyone's advice and drown P. Monkey to short out the bugs.  Maybe you could find a private investigator who'd be willing to check ALL of your things for bugs.  Too bad you don't have any more money to pay the PI to do some research.  Just please remember how many fans you have here.  You'll break our hearts if you leave for good!<br /><i>by elliemae on 2006-11-30 12:43:15</i><br /><hr />Oops, I almost forgot:

FFFFFFIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!111!!!!!!

for the General.<br /><i>by elliemae on 2006-11-30 12:45:55</i><br /><hr />161 justagirl --That would be SOOO awesome if Daniel punches Jonas!

Bree is ungrateful, Daniel risked everything for her. I think it might be only child sendrom<br /><i>by lexi_jean on 2006-11-30 12:49:51</i><br /><hr />Lizard,

Laundry machine hack.

So if you buy some cheap nylon pantyhose.  You can stick the quarters in them and then put it in the laundry coin slot, then pull back on it gently when you release the coin slot.  50% of the time you'll get your qaurters back.  The more often you do it the more quarters you get back, practice makes perfect.  The nylon is thin and stretches so it will let the quarters go in the slot and into the feeder.
Occasionaly they will rip and you'll lose the quarters. 

Try it with an old pair to make sure it works.

This worked on my laundry machines in college.  That was back in the mid 90s and they were old machines.  Don't know if newer machines prevent you from doing this.<br /><i>by Joe on 2006-11-30 12:54:26</i><br /><hr />#44 trollbaby -- if you "mouseover" the new chat link at the top of the page, it says 122... Maybe because it was uploaded to this page after Jonas and before Daniel. 

Just a thought.<br /><i>by fryebaby on 2006-11-30 12:55:35</i><br /><hr />I agree with some of the first posters today.
"It's time to grow Bree up a tad." -- amen. If I were Daniel I would be so upset (as in mad AND sad). He gave up his schooling, his job, his entire life because of all this and all Bree will do is talk to stuffed animals. She's supposed to be what age again? Becauseee I'm pretty sure it wasn't 7.<br /><i>by Jonneh on 2006-11-30 12:59:54</i><br /><hr />Drown the monkey!Drown the monkey!<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 13:02:38</i><br /><hr />Gas &amp; Eats is a reference to John Gilmore's Crazy Streak
Only that book is much darker.

Don't bother reading the book if you're squeamish
All you need to know is that an adult and minor get it on
Now, this doesn't mean that Bree and Daniel are a couple
It's just a possibility,
Even though the reference is likely a red herring.
Let's see what happens if Daniel throws down the gauntlet.

Getting Bree to open up has been futile in the past.
Only now, does Daniel have a shot to set her free.<br /><i>by Moonpies on 2006-11-30 13:03:13</i><br /><hr />"Daniel", or Creators, if you are going to read any of the many comments READ THIS ONE...

Go ahead, man...Drop off Bree at Jonas house and get the hell out of there.  She seriously aint worth you givin up your job and life for if she aint gonna appreciate it. If you want to Id like to see you take a knife and shred up P. monkey, owen, and thor..I think you deserve a break from that girl.<br /><i>by 707clique on 2006-11-30 13:04:25</i><br /><hr />Kit: "Daniel is a jerk. If he doesnâ€™t want her to go I donâ€™t think this is the mature way of telling her. It must be hard for Bree to loose her parents and HER life AND have to take care of such an angry child."


Kit, what on earth could you possibly be talking about?? Yes, Bree's parents have been kidnapped. True enough. But that is the ONLY thing for her. If you put Bree and Daniel on a comparison chart:


Bree's Loss: Kidnapped parents
Daniel's Loss: Schooling, Job, a ton of money and gas, AND he has to put up with a 16 year old girl who has the maturity of a SEVEN year old!

Sorry, but Daniel definitely takes the cake.<br /><i>by Jonneh on 2006-11-30 13:07:13</i><br /><hr />Ok if he leaves then they will still come after him.. he already knows whats going on its not like he can hide that.. so why wouldnt they still come after him???... And like i said before Jonas cannot be trusted yet... I know Bree is taking this in a different way but Daniel needs to stick around and try to help Bree realize the extent of everything.. maybe its gonna take sometbing to happen.. like a good chase.<br /><i>by Havock28TRD on 2006-11-30 13:07:52</i><br /><hr />Okay, Bree does need to grow up.

But I really hope Daniel doesn't just leave her there. It obviously makes sense, especially with the entire issue of Yousef thinking he was being fired.

Daniel and Bree's relationship is my reason for watching. =(<br /><i>by PaleNovember527 on 2006-11-30 13:10:12</i><br /><hr />daniel, before you go.....

......burn owen, thor and purple monkey.<br /><i>by TinkaParker on 2006-11-30 13:14:16</i><br /><hr />figured out which one is leaving yet?

hahaha.<br /><i>by Danie1beast on 2006-11-30 13:14:41</i><br /><hr />not the one you think...<br /><i>by Danie1beast on 2006-11-30 13:15:16</i><br /><hr />or maybe they're all leaving?

stay tuned. new video tomorrow, from "Bree".<br /><i>by Danie1beast on 2006-11-30 13:16:10</i><br /><hr />#142 jc_gypsy7  For the characters' sake I hope Bree goes with daniel but I think in terms of plot, B would be far more interesting.  Good or bad, the addition of Jonas is going to stir things up.<br /><i>by Cara on 2006-11-30 13:18:43</i><br /><hr />Really love the commentary going on here. Some great and insightful views on friendship, loyalty, sanity and unsanity...

My own take is: Daniel and Bree are misleading us. Actually, they're misleading the Order (Gemma's latest made it clear that, one way or the other, the Order is watching the videos). D and B are smart enough to see that the Order is trying to split them apart, and so for now the best thing is to pretend that it's working.<br /><i>by SharpI on 2006-11-30 13:19:18</i><br /><hr />XD

i think this is my favorite daniel vlog.
maybe- the breakfast in bed one was good too.

but this one was hilarious. i don't know what people are talking about jonas being a better actor- Yousef is awesome. he shows real amotion. jonas talks about emotions he should be showing.

i really liked his frustration- and even anecdotal whatever about his life. he has goals! he has a job- ;=P ...but it's a job.

yay.

i don't think he can leave her to get somewhere on her own though. she can't really drive and she has no car. even if he dropped her off at jonas' house of playboy fanbunnies and doom, she would have no way of getting away if she needed to. 

so i think he's just blowing off steam. it's not in his character to leave. he IS in control of the wheel, though. what if he decided to drive them both back to his parents house without consulting her, or even telling her? even if they are "hands off" parents, i betcha they can be trusted to help in this situation, even if the police can't.

and i'm betting p.monkey is going to be going on the warpath with daniel now, too.
XD<br /><i>by cheesy-come-lately on 2006-11-30 13:20:19</i><br /><hr />Cara - at this point... lol, either way works for me (provided we get Daniel back at some point.)

The addition I'd like to see most is a confrontation with the Watchers.<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 13:20:35</i><br /><hr />Sharpl (#179), I like your take on the situation! Perhaps it could all be a ploy...<br /><i>by physphile on 2006-11-30 13:24:16</i><br /><hr />Lynn,

It's a tad bit embarrassing that I know this from actual life experience, but they don't need a PI.  They can get that done at Radio Shack for the cost of a few cheap componants.  They should go in the morning, though, because it is the shopping season.<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 13:27:06</i><br /><hr />Ok first and foremost I have to say...I'm LIVID!!!!!!!!! 

Daniel so needs to stay.... STAY I SAY!!!

Leaving now....is a MASSIVELY BIG....NO NO!!!

Ok I understand that he is angry and upset at bree...but come on who can blame the dude???!!! All she does is live in her own little alter high lala world and is not focusing at whats most important. Props for the dude honestly for having sticked around all this time. I would have split a LONG time ago. I totally understand how the creators want to make her out to seem this little gulible innocent girl. But they're over doing it...WAY WAY WAY too much. Not for nothing but she is not 13! She's what now 16? Come on!.. at that age I had far more common sense. Dude not for nothing but if at that age some totaly over zealous high freak show all high and mighty powerful "Order" (so to speak) decided to take my parents and I had no way of knowing why and where... I would move earth and sky to recover them... ITS LOGICAL!... I wouldnt care about placing my life at risk...its my family...to boot its my PARENTS! Hello! But then again thats my inner dare devil.

And now I'm seeing that some of ya'll are saying "I DONT LIKE DANIEL NOW"(i.e. like Jackie) Come on seriously ZIP-IT! I know i'm the type of person that if i had a bestfriend like bree in need of help, I WOULD! I would leave everything to help them. I dont know about the rest of you but bestfriends are like family and, you know what I will stick by they're sides to the end. Once again props to daniel!... 

So daniel stay! Seriously do. As for this Jonas creep... go fly a kite or jump of a bridge or something else...just get lost! (eventhough I do have to admit he is rather kinda cute...BUT dont think for a moment I would let all that "cuteness" put my panties in a twist or cloud my judgement)...HELL NAH!

And a word of advice to the creators...wrap it up!!! You've been holding out too much already and its getting tiring. OH AND IF YOU LOOSE DANIEL ...YOU LOOSE A VIEWER! Mark my words!!
(*sighs* There! i feel much better now...venting helps)

Later ya'll...<br /><i>by Seaflower22 on 2006-11-30 13:27:19</i><br /><hr />Sharpl,

You're right.  I had the same thought.<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 13:28:14</i><br /><hr />#25 I TOTALLY AGREE!<br /><i>by gepetto on 2006-11-30 13:28:27</i><br /><hr />do NOT i repeat do NOT leave Bree alone...that's when P. Monkey will strike!<br /><i>by tayduh1987 on 2006-11-30 13:30:07</i><br /><hr />Sharp! - that's a great theory.. here's hoping you're right!<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 13:31:18</i><br /><hr />I am starting a petition: please leave a message on this website if you want the Monkey,Owen,and Thor drowned! They are full of bugs and mind controling substances.

#1 TherealLilly<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 13:34:13</i><br /><hr />hmmm.. here's  a thought...

since we've pretty much decided Gemma and Daniel are the stronger, more pro-active ones...

what about Gemma going on the offensive since she's tired of staying away from home?

Telling a friend, involving someone else.. (safety in numbers).. then having her friend tail her to see if she's being shadowed..

OR..

Daniel saying he's leaving.. dropping off Bree, then him coming back and watching Jonas &amp; Bree.. and catching a Watcher in the act!

(as previously stated, sorry Creators, but SOMEONE needs to go on the offensive here!)<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 13:37:06</i><br /><hr />WTF?

How come I am signed into the site but can't sign into the chat?<br /><i>by gnome on 2006-11-30 13:39:33</i><br /><hr />#2 Toad

Sink the Monkey and his evil cloth cohorts.<br /><i>by Toad on 2006-11-30 13:41:02</i><br /><hr />The watchers are coming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDO4oPjTINU<br /><i>by IceflowStudios on 2006-11-30 13:47:45</i><br /><hr />gnome, I couldn't get in either.. I had to disable my pop-up blocker.<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 13:47:58</i><br /><hr />jc_gypsy7: A confrontation with the watchers would be pretty exciting too.  I don't think I'm alone in saying that I'm just anxious for some kind of plot development-but as you said, as long as we get our DanielBeast back.<br /><i>by Cara on 2006-11-30 13:48:04</i><br /><hr />#3 elliemae

Drown the puppet!<br /><i>by elliemae on 2006-11-30 13:51:43</i><br /><hr />#43. wow. get a grip. 

he is a person too. she might be seventeen but i wouldn't want to be second in line when P. monkey is first. clearly daniel is a person and thats a pupppppppet. 



i'd leave too. 


daniel: ill missssss you. you're my fav.<br /><i>by emilyanne on 2006-11-30 13:52:46</i><br /><hr />I am starting a petition: please leave a message on this website if you want the Monkey,Owen,and Thor drowned! They are full of bugs and mind controling substances.

#1 TherealLilly 

Toad (send note) Says: 
November 30th, 2006 at 1:41 pm 
#2 Toad

Sink the Monkey and his evil cloth cohorts.<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 13:55:34</i><br /><hr />I am starting a petition: please leave a message on this website if you want the Monkey,Owen,and Thor drowned! They are full of bugs and mind controling substances.

#1 TherealLilly 

Toad (send note) Says:
November 30th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
#2 Toad

Sink the Monkey and his evil cloth cohortselliemae (send note) Says: 
November 30th, 2006 at 1:51 pm 
#3 elliemae

Drown the puppet!<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 13:56:52</i><br /><hr />The writers should really do a little more research on their subjects. I'm a sailor and can tell you no one - NO ONE - says "They were sailing on the 140th longitude." 

Jonas implies his parents bought a SatNav before leaving six years ago. The SatNav (a navigational instrument) was made obsolete by the GPS which was available over 10 years ago. No ocean-crossing sailor would buy a SatNav over a GPS.

Now if the writers meant to say SatPHONE, that would mean they could have made a phone call to anyone in the world. Why on earth would they call a Humboldt County RANGER station? Ranger station? Get real. 

The assumption is that they were halfway to Hawaii (if they were "sailing on the 140th latitude"), so no VHF radio would have covered the distance to Humboldt (it's a line of sight radio, much like FRS). Any other marine radio would have been picked up by the Coast Guard, not a Ranger station.

If Jonas' family was so rich, it's unlikely they would have been sailing the boat across an ocean themselves in the first place. They would have hired crew, at the very least, and mom probably would have stayed home and flown in when the boat arrived. Shall we even ask why they left their young son at home instead of taking him along? Oh right, because then there wouldn't be a new character to add.<br /><i>by nautiknitter on 2006-11-30 13:58:41</i><br /><hr />nautiknitter 


you're my favorite.<br /><i>by emilyanne on 2006-11-30 14:01:25</i><br /><hr />It looks as though Daniel is at the end of his line. I support Daniel; he has given up life and limb for a girl that simply bables away incoherently to her stuffed companians as a form of gratitude. I realize that Bree is upset, but her immature actions in this situation, quite abnormal to her regular deneamor, is starting to make me sceptical and impatient. Hardly anyone I know acts so insensible, even when they are under great distress. At least an ounce of logic must be left in her blood, and I must see it before I once again call her a teenager. Right now, she is as mature as a small child, and needs to learn how to think for herself and handle herself. 

Bree, drop the stuffed animals for just one minute and look to your friend - your friend, who has given up all prospects of a prosperous, normal life to aid you when you are in need. The LEAST you could do is listen to his advice, and intrude only as long as you must on his meager, but ever-present hospitality. Show more gratitude, and try to calm yourself down so that you might think rationally, rather than run away from the overbearing shadows  that haunt your conscious.

Although I stated that I support Daniel, I do not support Daniel on simply 'leaving' Bree out in the cold, out to defend herself from The Order. Unfortunately, that would be illogical by all means; the purpose for which he set out will have all been in vain, if there is no other reason not to abandon her. If not Jonas, finding another person who is responsible and can care for Bree for at least a little while is necessary for Daniel. As it seems, Jonas appears at the present the only solution. If he wants to try to grasp his life back into his hands, he may just have to try and trust Jonas. Calling Bree frequently, visiting Jonas's house, and communicating through video-blogs would be a way he could keep track of her, if he remains worried.

If worst comes to wosrt, Daniel could take a day off of work or school to come to Bree's rescue, an quickly place her under the care of another would might be more trustworthy...<br /><i>by Ferret on 2006-11-30 14:09:21</i><br /><hr />NO! Daniel, don't leave!!  Ok.  If Bree is going nuts, she needs someone sane to watch her.  Letting her go off to a strangers house (jonah) isn't the best idea.  But...if he's off to London for a better paying gig, then kudos.  Bye!<br /><i>by deirdre on 2006-11-30 14:10:33</i><br /><hr />I totally support Daniel in considering walking away. To be honest, I miss the intelligent Bree too.

And did you guys know that they sell P. Monkeys at Target?<br /><i>by TheBlankTheory on 2006-11-30 14:10:41</i><br /><hr />P-Monkey is making an escape attempt:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=180057215263<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 14:11:27</i><br /><hr />Marbella said, "I believe that ethically, he must leave her someplace safe.. or where he believes she will be safe. I wonder.. What about a church?"

Well, the problem is, they don't know enough about the Watchers and the Order to know where is safe. And left to her own devices, I feel like she'd make a foolish decision and end up in trouble. She's just too naive!

"Do they get paid more or less than the â€œrent a cops?â€ (You knowâ€“the $6/hr security guards that businesses purchase, who donâ€™t even carry guns.)"

I have to hope that if they're forced to buy expensive suits, at least they better have an excellent benefits package! :)

Krig said, "Itâ€™s so difficult to get it right these days. I mean, what is Biz Cas? Are jeans ok? Should you wear one of those short sleeved button downs? Really, when youâ€™re out of your Watcher cubicle, what do you do?"

I say that casual is the way to go. I mean, men in dark suits... so predictable in a scary stalker. But stalkers in Hawaiian shirts and Bermuda shorts... No one will suspect a think. AND you can stalk in comfort!

Toad said, "82. Lizard
I am hoping for thong bikini watchers. They better be female though or at least have had brazillian waxes.:)"

Hmmmâ€¦ kinda like Baywatch, right? â€œBayWATCH.â€ Last partâ€¦ WATCH. Coincidence? I think not. *sits back and waits for Pamela Anderson and Yasmeen Bleeth to run in slow motion after Bree and Daniel in the background of a vid, never quite catching them because of their perpetual slow motion jiggling.* 

That might up the ratings, anyhow... *musing*

Jerik, said, "*slaps Lizard*
Oops. I think that left a mark."

Thanks, I needed that. I just had a nightmare during my nap (seriously, no lie) that some big scary guy was going to kick my butt for yelling at him in traffic for cutting me off. He approached my car and said something about â€œYou wanna see how I roll, witch? Iâ€™m going to mess you up.â€ And even scared witless in my dream, I got out of the car and stood up straight and said, â€œStop right there! Youâ€™ve already committed assault by threatening me. Iâ€™m programming your license plate into my phone. Iâ€™m a lawyer, and Iâ€™m a d@mn good one. You wanna find out how good?â€ The guy looked at me narrowly and then snorted, waved a hand at me, and got back into his car.

And thatâ€™s when I decided to seek some kind of counseling for my Torts problem.

Spiletta said, â€œSo a coming installment will feature Daniel being sued on CourtTV. Can P-Monkey legally take the stand? And will William Hung get to sing?â€

Hmmâ€¦ I guess it could happen if something bad happened to Bree because of the way Daniel left her. But with P-monkey testifyingâ€¦ I wonder if itâ€™s witness tampering to have someone with their hand up his butt while heâ€™s on the standâ€¦ As to William Hung, I think itâ€™s a statutory requirement that he perform â€œShe Bangsâ€ at any YouTube related trial. 

Krig said, "(Ok, can you guys tell yet that Iâ€™m an anthropologist? Seems like Lizard isnâ€™t the only one bringing the work into the discussion!"

See, LG15 requires a certain expertiseâ€¦ Now if only we had an LG15 fan who was a member of the FBI with experience in investigating cultsâ€¦ 

Froppo said, "Daniel DONâ€™T GO!!! Bree does still need you and this series would get super lame without you around. Youâ€™re good at stalking. Maybe you should take some time to stake out Jonasâ€™s place."

I like that idea... but then Jonas watches their vids. And Jonas would know Daniel was stalking him. *pictures Daniel out in his car parked behind a bush watching the house, startling as a knock comes on his window. Jonas leans in and offers him cocoa, saying, "It's getting cold out here. hey, listen, tell my mailman that Gladys Woburn doesn't live here and to quit giving me her mail. Later!" and going back inside*

Joe, excellent. Iâ€™ll give it a shot. And Iâ€™ll dedicate the first pair of April-Fresh socks out of the dryer to you! :) 

Random Thoughts:
1) Iâ€™d actually like to see Jonas respond to Daniel. And maybe tell Bree it wasnâ€™t his intention to drive her apart from her friend. He seemed to care about their relationship in the past. And for some reason, Bree listened to him.

2) â€œHumans are a virusâ€¦â€ â€œP-monkey is a cancerâ€¦â€ Oh noâ€¦ Danielâ€™s in the Matrix! There IS no slurpee, Daniel! There IS no slurpee.<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 14:16:04</i><br /><hr />P.Monkey must drown<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 14:18:19</i><br /><hr />*dies laughing at "There IS no slurpee" and struggles to pretend to work*<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 14:19:40</i><br /><hr />82- Lizard- Oh, God I hope not... I DO NOT want to see a Watcher dressed like that!!!
83- Georgia- is that "Stuff him, Bree" a permission to turn daniel into a "D. Monkey"? Becuase that would be interesting...
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/lonelyfan18/danielmonkey.jpg<br /><i>by TheGreenLaceBeauty on 2006-11-30 14:20:29</i><br /><hr />204 TheBlankTheory: P. Monkey sales must be booming!  The manufacturers should send a thank you note to the LG15 creators.<br /><i>by Cara on 2006-11-30 14:24:12</i><br /><hr />It's all a conspiracy to sell P. Monkeys! He is evil! Drown him Daniel!! Drown him!!<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 14:25:48</i><br /><hr />I LIKE YOUR NOSE!!!! ITS REALLY BIG AND IT HAS A BUMP ON IT!!!<br /><i>by crazymonkey on 2006-11-30 14:34:19</i><br /><hr />Wow, Daniel is burned out on this all. I can understand with how he is getting aggrivated. Bree has been home schooled and kept away from life, so she is handling it like a child. Daniel being a college student knows a little about life and responsibilites. I am sure he is worried and upset over his future in college and with Bree only thinking about herself right now and talking only to a puppet, would drive anyone insane. Bree needs to stop pushing him away. He has been true to her and a good friend. Jonas may or may not be trustworthy, so she should be careful. If I was her, I would not go without Daniel!! Some how this needs to end in Daniel and Bree's life. It is going to take something bad to happen before things can get better. Right now they are at a standstill and can not move on, due to not having a stable life. The only way they could be free and unharmed would be to go into severe hiding and change apperance, assume new identity, and stop posting videos. With the way things are going now, it is going to take something just breaking to climb out of this mess.. Hard to explain .. but you may know what I mean here. =) I feel sorry for Daniel.. I think part of him was attracted to her in a girlfriend way.. and maybe she has killed that now??<br /><i>by angie on 2006-11-30 14:35:18</i><br /><hr />If I was Daniel.. I would throw away the puppets int he middle of the night, while she was sleeping. I would force her to wake up to reality and talk to humans. =) It is not good for her to hide through puppets.. She needs to grow up a little.<br /><i>by angie on 2006-11-30 14:39:59</i><br /><hr />Ok here is a question for all you LonelyGirl15 fans...Where is Gemma? I think the order caught up with her,what about you?<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 14:43:55</i><br /><hr />wrong, dude!  they are going to hunt you down and rape you.<br /><i>by Platypus on 2006-11-30 14:44:21</i><br /><hr />Okay, I think everyone agrees with the fact that Bree is using P. Monkey, Owen, and Thor as a way to cope with the more serious issues at hand. This is a sixteen year old, only child who was primarily home schooled by her parents and brought into a secret creepy cult. 

Let's jsut face facts, she isn't going to deal with problems like a regular teenager.

Daniel, who is more normal than most, has reached the point where he simply can't take it anymore. All of it is understandable really. 

But the question is, where should the plot go from here? Should Bree go with Jonas? Should Daniel leave Bree and get back to his life?

I still have my standpoint that Daniel and Bree need to be doing more than just running. Bree needs to realize that this is a very serious situation. Daniel has screwed himself out of a job as well as a semester of college because of all of this. Honestly, by this point in time, answers would be one of the only things on my mind. Finding out why all of this is going on. 

A logical thing to do and also it would be really interesting to see that part of the plot unfold. Daniel and Bree taking action instead of waiting for things to happen. 

As far as Daniel leaving, lets just face facts. He is too nice of a guy and cares about Bree too much to just bail on her now. I think he really needs to grow a set and sit down with Bree and get her to spill everything she knows about the Order so they can both be prepared for... well whatever comes. 

Now, the big question at hand. Should they trust Jonas? Realistically, no. What sane person would. But this is after all entertainment. It is a show and the show must go on. Jonas was presented to us as a Bruce Wayne wannabe. Loads of money, big house and all alone. The perfect place for Bree and Daniel to hide out. I think no matter what the viewers opinion is on this that the creators will go ahead and have Bree go to Jonas or at least get money from him. Otherwise there was truly no point to introduce him as a character to the series. 

Do I think that Jonas is a part of the Order? Honestly, no I don't. I was looking at this from an angle that I am not sure many people have considered. 

What if Jonas is a fan? I don't mean a fan like you would ask someone to sign something for you fan, I'm talking like a super obbessive stalker, "I wanna steal a lock of your hair" fan. Perhaps Jonas is obsessed with Bree after watching all of her videos on YouTube / Reever and now he has a way to get her... 

But then again, that could just be my over active imagination talking.<br /><i>by The Cajurican on 2006-11-30 14:50:02</i><br /><hr />i think bree has gone looney and daniel is just fed up. its totally understandable. shes becoming a little too attatched to the stuffed animals. but daniel CANNOT leave bree alone at Jonas' what if he tries to hurt her????? she should just listen to daniel she needs to get everything out in the open shes holding too much inside and she needs to trust someone.<br /><i>by analin on 2006-11-30 14:53:45</i><br /><hr />and now Featuring Danilebeast in You know what really Grinds my Gears? lol lol..why dont they just go back to Daniels house i mean noone found them there..oh why oh why..ya gotta love the wild goose chases<br /><i>by blondeambition on 2006-11-30 15:02:13</i><br /><hr />If there are tracking devices in the animals, they should mail them across the country.  That'll keep the watchers busy.  In fact, since these critters are clearly available at Target, Daniel could replace them without Bree's knowledge, and since they'd still appear in the vids, the Order would be none the wiser.<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 15:02:32</i><br /><hr />yeah alright, it is hard to trust someone, but you should honestly go with Bree to see this Jonas.  Even if he is lying.
But before you go, you and bree need to work things out.  She is being a bit rude.  But then again she is going through a hard time.  She is just trying to get through it.
Don't you DARE leave her!  She needs you now.  I know it might be hella annoying, but still!  She really needs you, please don't leave her<br /><i>by mousegirl on 2006-11-30 15:11:24</i><br /><hr />Spiletta42 (send note) Says: 
November 30th, 2006 at 3:02 pm 
If there are tracking devices in the animals, they should mail them across the country. Thatâ€™ll keep the watchers busy. In fact, since these critters are clearly available at Target, Daniel could replace them without Breeâ€™s knowledge, and since theyâ€™d still appear in the vids, the Order would be none the wiser. 


Finally...someone with a good solution!!<br /><i>by TherealLilly on 2006-11-30 15:31:33</i><br /><hr />Daniel needs to actually comminicate with Bree, not through huffs, "whatever!" "just forget it" and eye rolling. He needs to sit her down, look her in the eye and tell her she's being childish and selfish. YELL PEOPLE, get it out!<br /><i>by Scooter on 2006-11-30 15:36:37</i><br /><hr />Always got to have the triangle. It's the classic maneuver to any good story. Whether it's romantic or not, it doesn't matter. Look at every story/movie/tv show etc., they ALL have a triangle.<br /><i>by heatherlynn on 2006-11-30 15:45:16</i><br /><hr />#220 Spiletta42

"If there are tracking devices in the animals, they should mail them across the country. Thatâ€™ll keep the watchers busy. In fact, since these critters are clearly available at Target, Daniel could replace them without Breeâ€™s knowledge, and since theyâ€™d still appear in the vids, the Order would be none the wiser."

I love this idea!  But he'd have to check Owen first and see if there was really a rip in him or if Bree just made that up.  Imagine what she would if she noticed there was suddenly no "boo-boo":

1. ACTUALLY think that Owen miraculously healed, because he's really alive, thus proving she's gone off the deep end.

or

2. Flip out, take the wheel while Daniel's driving, go off the side of a bridge and end the whole saga right there and then.<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 15:52:25</i><br /><hr />I had a thought that this may be a way for Yousef to really be out of the show. I really hope I'm wrong. I really really really really really really really really really really really really do.<br /><i>by voyboy on 2006-11-30 16:09:46</i><br /><hr />Noooooo Daniel, Don't leave Bree!

That said, this was the most riveting video in a while.  Here's the "tension" we needed.

Still, I really don't want Daniel to leave.

#217 Cajurican--To answer your question, I think Bree and Daniel should finally talk about what's going on and Daniel should begrudgingly agree to go with her to Jonas's house.  Even if he's pissed, he can't just drop some 16-year-old girl off at some random guy-she-met-on-the-internet's house.<br /><i>by Kimmy on 2006-11-30 16:10:51</i><br /><hr />DANIEL: I Love you. *Swooon*.  You have a right to be frustrated, this is the most real vid from you in a while. But, it's still totally obivious how much you care about her, she needs you so much right now. Don't abandon her, your all that she has left.<br /><i>by FallingIntoSin on 2006-11-30 16:14:01</i><br /><hr />I agree with Daniel Bree has got a lot of nerve ,with all that he sacrificed for her, even gettin a little mad. Who is this new guy anyway.
But he is cute. I still love Daniel. I feel like they are trying to replace him with the new guy i hope not. Daniel is my favorite.<br /><i>by Cherry on 2006-11-30 16:27:29</i><br /><hr />I really hope Daniel doesn't leave this show, I think he's still everyone's favorite character (even outshining Bree since she's turned into having the mentality of a stuff animal). 

Daniel, don't leave. Please.<br /><i>by FallingIntoSin on 2006-11-30 16:27:53</i><br /><hr />Haha, if he did leave imagine how sad all the people who were craving R rated vlogs will be!! How could the Creators deprive them?!?

I don't think he will leave. He's angry, and he's trying to justify leaving...but the fact that he's having to justify it seems to me that he knows he can't go. And should he by chance leave...I don't think he'll cut her out completely, he'll keep an eye on her. I hope.<br /><i>by Pylopheit on 2006-11-30 16:32:11</i><br /><hr />he needs a hair cut... now! 

maybe Bree is acting all wierd b/c she's not getting those shots anymore. whatever they were<br /><i>by race_the_dream on 2006-11-30 16:35:09</i><br /><hr />I've been kind of obsessed with Sherlock Holmes lately and LG15 at the moment reminds me of the first book: A Study in Scarlet.  Anyone else know what I'm talking about?.......Bueller?

Anyway, I'm giving away the entire plot so if you have any intention of reading the book, stop now: A man and a little girl are the only one's left of their party on the oregon trail.  They're rescued from starvation by a large wagon trail of mormons under the condition that they conform to their religion in every respect.  The man and his daughter are eventually very prominent members of the community but the girl falls in love with an outsider.  They're engaged and the fiance goes off to seek his fortune.  One of the elders comes and after a bitter fight with the father, says that they have 30 days for the daughter to chose between 2 men willing to take another wife.  Every day there's a warning count down written somewhere inside or around their house while they wait for a reply from the fiance.  Just in time, the fiance shows up and helps them escape.  They make it to the mountains where they believe to be beyond reach of the leaders.  The fiance goes to hunt for food and when he comes back, finds the fresh grave of the father.  He goes back to find that his fiance had been forced to marry one of the other men but had died within a month of a "broken heart".  In terms of the Sherlock Holmes story, this is the murderers motive for dedicating the rest of his life to revenge against the one man who killed the father and the other who abducted the daughter.  

Not completely parallel but there are some aspects that remind me of Lonelygirl.  Here's hoping it ends better for Daniel, Bree and her parents.<br /><i>by Cara on 2006-11-30 16:40:37</i><br /><hr />Nice multi user chat...NOT! :p Anyways, if Daniel does dump Bree with Jonas...well that can't be good. He's a perv for sure.<br /><i>by SuzyQS on 2006-11-30 16:41:22</i><br /><hr />#206 Lizard

"See, LG15 requires a certain expertiseâ€¦ Now if only we had an LG15 fan who was a member of the FBI with experience in investigating cultsâ€¦"

The most I can offer is my many years of archaeological training (cultural anthropology has just been a required aside).  Unfortunatley, any of the cult members I would have investigated have been dead for at least a few thousand years.<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 16:54:08</i><br /><hr />oog, spelling error.  "unfortunately"<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 16:56:27</i><br /><hr />See here's how I see it... as her friend Daniel has a responsibility to help Bree, but living in his car and hiding in motels is not what I'd consider help.  Ever since her parents disappeared that have not tried to resolve the situation or figure out what happened.  Bree has basically removed herself from reality.  

If she won't listen to reason, then he needs to take her somewhere safe and try to find a way to continue living his life while helping her.  I don't think its unreasonable that he wants to go home.  His words seem harsh and rash, but he's probably just feeling trapped.  I doubt that he would actually leave Bree in a dangerous situation.<br /><i>by AlliBean on 2006-11-30 16:57:00</i><br /><hr />Today I realized I was eating Cheetos and using an ORANGE highlighter.  :-0  Good thing they don't sell orange slurpees on campus, or I'd think they had gotten to me some how.

Oh, and I know what happened to Jonas' parents... they're on the LOST island!  (Along with Amelia Ehrhart who also disappeared over the Pacific.)<br /><i>by AlliBean on 2006-11-30 17:07:40</i><br /><hr />I've got it! Daniel needs to dress up like a stuffed animal! Lets say a bunny, for instance, then maybe 
Bree will expain to him whats going on in her crazy little mind.<br /><i>by robtomorrow on 2006-11-30 17:10:30</i><br /><hr />Does anyone know where the transcript of the Bree chat is? I have seen one on the lgpedia called Bree's November 28 chat, but it only has about 3 comments from Bree, 2 from Jonas and like 6 from Gemma.. this can't be the whole chat. Can anyone help?<br /><i>by skookumchuks on 2006-11-30 17:15:44</i><br /><hr />#220--Spiletta 422.. I LOVE that idea. I think I'll write to Danielbeast on his MySpace or the forum here and suggest that.

#239-Robotomorrow--You've got it!! SOoooo Funny! What should he be? Bunny? Teddy? Giant P*Monkey?<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 17:18:04</i><br /><hr />I support Daniel in his decision. I don't think he's going to leave the show, though, I think he'll still post videos, maybe he will try to stalk Jonas or something for information...hm, that would be interesting. Because we know how good he is at breaking and entering.

Also I was watching an old video (I Lied to Daniel) and Bree said "I guess trust is really important in these ceremonies". Blind trust of something you know nothing about. You'd think she'd have learned by now.<br /><i>by Ferra on 2006-11-30 17:19:30</i><br /><hr />i love lonelygirl15<br /><i>by jsmith on 2006-11-30 17:25:20</i><br /><hr />#121-Gypsy.. You might be right.. but with Lizard (#124), I wonder what two bored kids with lots of money who are basically out of touch with reality are going to do besides make funny, goofy videos with occasional scares from "watchers." It's almost Scooby-dooish to think of it that way.

So, these people are getting tattoos on the back of their hands so they can stand in suits around hotels? 

Yeah, and the people holding up signs on the highway to adverise businesses are getting the business name tatooed on their head, regularly! (Only they are wearing hats to hide it--it is a secret!)

Sometimes, I find it fun to be sarcastic.. and I'm not meaning to be negative at all. I would like to see a little realism mixed in. Not that I don't love David Lynch and all that, unreal as that can be!!

#156-PiphieMilie--If you think they should stop making these videos, maybe you should stop watching them.

I've made the comment before that Bree might be autistic or have autistic traits. She DOES live in her own world and Daniel is only there to serve her needs. 

However, I stated this compassionately, and not in a way that was insulting. Words like "retarded," or "autistic" should NEVER be used as insults. 

That is worse than saying the "N" word to an African-American, in my opinion. It's at least just as bad because those with mental and neurological disabilities should not be insulted for beging who and what they are, any more than a black person should be!!

I'd love Bree just as much if she had a mental illness and a neurological disability.. or if she were in a wheelchair. NONE of that would make Bree.. or the series.. LAME!!!

For all my sarcasm (and Lizard and others have had plenty of it, too!!!) we are in love with this unfolding plot and for the opportunity to interact with it. If anyone is not, disruption of our fun is not helpful to us.<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 17:37:30</i><br /><hr />I meant to say "being," not "beging.." obviously!!

:)<br /><i>by Marbella on 2006-11-30 17:39:18</i><br /><hr />Marbella,
I was picturing him as a white bunny with pink ears.
Bree couldn't possibly resist that!<br /><i>by robtomorrow on 2006-11-30 17:45:02</i><br /><hr />ferra i think yousef is going away for christmas probablly to jordan so this would probably be to explain his absence<br /><i>by trunbuns on 2006-11-30 17:45:35</i><br /><hr />jsmith #243 WE all love lonegirl15 too. Thanks for helping to make that possible !<br /><i>by NAXAN on 2006-11-30 17:47:34</i><br /><hr />Bree has been through a lot -- the whole prep for the ceremony, replete with shots; being separated from her parents and not knowing if they are alive; having her life,, such as it was, disrupted. Different people deal with trauma differently, and she is dealing with by acting like a 3-year old who controls a siuution by withdrawing.

And Daniel has been through alot too -- all because he is a devoted friend to Bree and didn't want anything bad to happen to her.

I think it would be out of character for him to just leave her with Jonas, so he needs to compromise with her. Why don't they go to his (Daniel's) parents' house and stay., let his parents fend off teh Wathcers and Deacons for a while. (aplogies if that's already been suggested -- I haven't read all the posts yet).

Still, going to Daniel's parents' house would kind of dead-end the story.  It has to have plot tension, so that probably means Jonas gets his way.<br /><i>by stargazer on 2006-11-30 17:52:06</i><br /><hr />Marbella #244  

Well said.  Although everyone here has their respective opinions and viewpoints, and those may differ, we should take care to be respectful of others at all times.  Bravo!<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 17:55:59</i><br /><hr />jc_gypsy7--I really like your idea about Gemma forming a Nikki Bower-esque team of her own to figure out what's up with the Order.

Scooter makes a good point--Bree is being completely  insufferable, but Daniel doesn't exactly have the best communication skills either.  They both need to tell each other how they feel in a calm manner.<br /><i>by Kimmy on 2006-11-30 17:57:18</i><br /><hr />robtomorrow,

At first I though you might be describing Lizard.<br /><i>by NAXAN on 2006-11-30 17:58:37</i><br /><hr />And the producer said to the writer, "we're not trying to emulate real life anymore; replace Yousef with some eye candy"<br /><i>by Determination on 2006-11-30 18:02:52</i><br /><hr />Jonas reminds me of that guy from Red Eye<br /><i>by emma613 on 2006-11-30 18:10:18</i><br /><hr />now im sorta thinking out loud here...bare with me...

He cant just dump her off somewhere and leave. No way. Even with her being such a pain in the ass. He's only in the moment. We all know how it is when were with someone for too long with very little alone time. The person you love most in the world can just make you want to strangle them and say hateful things you dont really mean.

He cant leave her with Jonas. He knows better.Only a freak would leave a "Bree" with anyone they didnt know. If he leaves her Bree is basically a piece of meat waiting to be smoked. 

He may as well get her a tshirt that says "Rapists Welcome"<br /><i>by voyboy on 2006-11-30 18:14:26</i><br /><hr />Keep your goals in sight and your mind on the target, Bree. Don't shift your gaze for a second. Temptation from the sidelines is sent as a test. Will you survive the challenge? In all seriousness, be wary of adding a new element to the mix. Sometimes, it's better to stay in the safe zone than push the luck button once too often.
http://www.astrologycom.com/novscor.html#30<br /><i>by trash180 on 2006-11-30 18:23:11</i><br /><hr />This might piss off the fanbunnies (the girls who like Jonas).

What if Jonas is gay.  He invites Bree to his place, but he really wants Daniel.  He only invited Bree because he thought Daniel would be with her.  Now Daniel is going to leave Bree and then she will show up at Jonas's place alone.  There door knocks, Jonas answers.  It's Bree standing at the door, with her bags in one hand and P. Monkey in the other.  Jonas looks around and then asks Bree where Daniel is.  The next couple of videos will be Bree talking about how Jonas is different than other boys, he like musicals, get his nails manicured, etc...
Jonas posts a bunch of video about how upset he is that Daniel didn't come and now he's stuck with some girl who plays with puppettes.<br /><i>by Joe on 2006-11-30 18:23:30</i><br /><hr />Does anyone else think that that Bree-goes-to-the-movies-with-P. Monkey video seems REALLY out of place now that we know Daniel wasn't kidnapped?

Since she obviously has communication/reality issues, maybe weird stuffed animal dates and allegories are the only way she can let people in.  Makes me think even more that everything she mentioned had a meaning.  If Daniel really does leave her with Jonas, maybe that's her "solo mission" the Guardian movie talks about.  (Apparently I mention that everyday now.)

Or the writers were having a slow day.<br /><i>by Kimmy on 2006-11-30 18:24:22</i><br /><hr />Hi guys, this is my first comment, although I have been watching since the beginning. I have just been too shy to say anything. But, I have to say something now. I don't trust Jonas. Yes he is hot! hot! hot! But, as others have said, it is just too convenient for him to show up at this time, and his situation, i.e. money, big home alone, etc, also too convenient. If I am wrong, I will own up to it, but something just doesn't feel right.<br /><i>by purplepassion on 2006-11-30 18:29:39</i><br /><hr />eustacia,

I had to re-enter my password on my work computer today.  I hadn't used it to go on this site after the chat room debacle until today.  Chances are you just have to clear out your cache and cookies and re-enter your password.<br /><i>by Joe on 2006-11-30 18:31:18</i><br /><hr />Hmmmm, Joe, that would explain why Jonas was so adamant that Bree should give Daniel a break.  He was probably worried this would happen and get in the way of his elaborate Daniel-seduction plan.<br /><i>by Kimmy on 2006-11-30 18:32:19</i><br /><hr />I don't really trust Jonas either. It was different with Gemma because she was in the commune with Bree, but even if they hadn't known each other, Gemma has enough knowledge about the Order for Bree to reasonably trust her. But Jonas is just some guy, and he's given no reason, really, that he's trustworthy other than "Well, you have to trust someone!" It doesn't make sense.

But I like that things are getting more interesting with Jonas and Gemma than them just sitting at their computers and saying "I am hot." "My flatmates suck. Look at these fake crumbs." (That was so stupid.)<br /><i>by LemonOfPink on 2006-11-30 18:35:58</i><br /><hr />Joe,
Thanks for checking that for eustacia, I knew you d figure some angle on the problem.<br /><i>by NAXAN on 2006-11-30 18:36:59</i><br /><hr />Please don't let Daniel go! It would be a big mistake, Creators. BIG.<br /><i>by pinkhoody on 2006-11-30 18:43:13</i><br /><hr />Joe,

Amusing theory.  But I'm not sure it would advance the plot.<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 18:44:30</i><br /><hr />Eustacia_Vye,

I just can't stand you!  You are intolerably pretentious!  Ugh...<br /><i>by Margaret on 2006-11-30 18:44:34</i><br /><hr />NAXAN,
Hopefully it works, otherwise it means the order hacked into her computer to keep her from telling us something.  What does she know?<br /><i>by Joe on 2006-11-30 18:45:43</i><br /><hr />I bet the next video is going to have Bree and daniel fighting. Bree is going to say "My stuffed animals are important to me! OK!!" and I bet then Daniel will grab P. Monkey and tear him apart. Then Bree will scream and be like "YOU KILLED P. MONKEY!!" and try to kill Daniel lol..With her possible knowledge of what body parts will kill someone if affected (hey if she knows pluto is half the size of antarctica, then she would know that, too) she may try to kill daniel by like punching his nose in or something.  That'd be hilarious!<br /><i>by 707clique on 2006-11-30 18:47:50</i><br /><hr />DONATE $10 VIA PAYPAL FOLKS!

There are now 3,010 members of this site, but only 66 supporters. Shameful.

Click that PayPal button folks, donate $10. I donated, and I promise you will feel warm fuzzies pulsing through your viens all day!

To the guys: Donating $10 makes chicks dig you.

To the gals: Donating $10 wonâ€™t make the guys dig you, but will make your butt look skinny.<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 18:48:47</i><br /><hr />(The statements above have not been evaluated by the FDA.  Consult your doctor and accountant.)<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 18:49:43</i><br /><hr />Spiletta42,

I gave up on plot advancement many videos ago.  

I'm just waiting for the cult to force Bree to drink an Orange Slurpee.  She drinks it all, gets a big smile on her face and says "WOW!  This tastes great, everyone should have one."<br /><i>by Joe on 2006-11-30 18:57:00</i><br /><hr />I think Bree is really ungrateful. Daniel was there for her no matter what happened, he gave up everything for her.He will give up after a while, I suppose everyone knows that. Why doesn't she listen to him?
I can see big fightings coming up, and personally, I'm with Daniel. He is a nice guy. A kind of a guy who could not exist in real life...the tipical "too good to be true" type;)<br /><i>by Linguist on 2006-11-30 18:58:45</i><br /><hr />i think jonas is trustworthy, but why can't they go back and maybe live in his dorm room or something? or can't he register for classes online? i understand he has to keep living his life, but at the moment he's pretty much responsible for her. 

maybe they should go back and see what's up at bree's house. maybe her parents left her more instructions somewhere.<br /><i>by katie on 2006-11-30 18:59:29</i><br /><hr />lol paulo #269, im 12, sorry :(


and does anyone know if this is profit showing?

like doesnt hte donated money go to the motel and the chips in the car that they 'ate.'

if u know, send note

via (send note)



lol and he probably will leave becasue everyone thinks he is going to leave 



:D<br /><i>by royplay94 on 2006-11-30 19:01:29</i><br /><hr />and if htey want to know whats going on, what bout just using a pay fone or cell and call up 1-800-her-house? mabye they tried<br /><i>by royplay94 on 2006-11-30 19:04:08</i><br /><hr />I think that Daniel should be a little more protective of Bree. There's obviously something not quite right with her. She's become almost delusional and sort of lost... And he wants to leave her at some guys house, all alone. Who knows what type of creep he could be. There's a good chance he's part of the Order also! 

Daniel has said that he doesn't trust him, yet he's willing to leave Bree there.

Doesn't he care about her at all? Especially what they've been through together?

I know the Creators definetly had no idea Bree and Daniel would become anything more than just friends... But Daniel has admitted he liked Bree, and even kissed her! It's disappointing to see that aspect (that is, in my opinion, the best aspect of the story) disappear.<br /><i>by PaleNovember527 on 2006-11-30 19:04:59</i><br /><hr />Poster #269 Paulo.

You know what would really be shameful - if the Revver guy in the article talked about in this thread is right.

http://www.lonelygirl15.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3513

Go to topic.  Click on the link to the EW article.  Scroll down to where the Revver guy talks about LG15.<br /><i>by gnome on 2006-11-30 19:05:26</i><br /><hr />Jackie (43) 
So what if she's scared and seventeen??  I'm seventeen, and I've been scared before, and let me tell you, I don't act like that.  She's acting like a three year old, not an almost-adult.  

I agree with Daniel.  Bree used to say intelligent things on this blog, and now she says nothing of consequence.  It's like she's totally escaped reality in favor of her own little pretend world.

I don't want them to split up, though.  Bree just needs to pull herself together.  It's been weeks.

Bree and this plot need to MOVE ON.<br /><i>by truncatedslinky on 2006-11-30 19:09:03</i><br /><hr />oh my god

just look at this place!

what a mess
please notice that my house is very tidy
I don't want you riff-raff in my estate.
Bree can come...Dorkal - I mean doofus- I mean Daniel can go back to his pitiful junior college life<br /><i>by Joanus_is_a_douche on 2006-11-30 19:11:35</i><br /><hr />Somehow I'm not surprised that Joanus_is_a_douche's comment appeared precisely at 7:11 pm...<br /><i>by Treefunk on 2006-11-30 19:16:04</i><br /><hr />So this is the end for Daniel, eh?  Looks like Jonas is going to get the chance to deflower Bree.<br /><i>by gregonweb on 2006-11-30 19:32:39</i><br /><hr />#276 palenovember
I agree totally.<br /><i>by cdewsie on 2006-11-30 19:32:59</i><br /><hr />Treefunk,

Only someone with evil orange slurpee powers would be able to post at 7:11.<br /><i>by Joe on 2006-11-30 19:33:38</i><br /><hr />,k.mklkl<br /><i>by gracie on 2006-11-30 19:36:41</i><br /><hr />For those of the "Daniel is a jerk" mindset, he's just blowing off a "little immature" smoke.  Goodness knows he sure has been surronded with it latly.

For those fearing Daniel will leave... No way, the boy's in love.

I think we may finally be on the edge of some real action here folks...  Bree slipping into the animal kingdom, Daniel flipping out, Gemma so scared she hasn't washing her hair, Jonas wispering sweet "trust me" till we all gag...  Somthing big is going to happen soon.<br /><i>by ACakeMixWatcher on 2006-11-30 19:40:43</i><br /><hr />Attention!
I think you (creators) should put a schedule date for new episodes.
The only fault I see is having people log on 5 minutes early, and refreshing 2205702807 times, which may 'overload the server' (ahem, that was me trying to use technical jargin(sp?) )
Just something to think about so we dont get really pissed.<br /><i>by Allamericangirl on 2006-11-30 19:46:07</i><br /><hr />7-11 = orang slurpee mastermind?<br /><i>by Allamericangirl on 2006-11-30 19:48:37</i><br /><hr />ORDER
R?
A?
N?
GEMMA
EVIL

~~~~OPAHID<br /><i>by modelmotion on 2006-11-30 19:56:55</i><br /><hr />Considering the money isn't exactly rolling in, it might be worth it to at least get Jonas' take on the situation. If Bree is of sound mind by that point, I don't see why her and Daniel couldn't base their solution on something like that. I say it should at least be given a closer look, and if it doesn't sound right, just move along.<br /><i>by Jedi999 on 2006-11-30 20:06:42</i><br /><hr />Allamericangirl,

I sort of enjoy checking for new vids constantly all day, cause then there's the adrenaline rush of actually discovering one.  Then again, I could be in need of a life.  Maybe I should put down the Star Trek fanfic and go outdoors every now and again.<br /><i>by Spiletta42 on 2006-11-30 20:06:55</i><br /><hr />This stupid thing won't let me comment!<br /><i>by jd87 on 2006-11-30 20:08:22</i><br /><hr />I think my feelings can best be summed up in one simple sentence...

YO FUCK JONAS.<br /><i>by cookiecake on 2006-11-30 20:11:11</i><br /><hr />The aticle in the link only says that Ms. Rose is making a salary not that the creators are making wads of money.

I deleted the rest of my post as it was to wordy but basicly it said that people are far to eager to tear into the creators for basicly trying to make  a few bucks for something that a great many people seem to enjoy and they have developed.

Give them a break, Lots of risk so far and very minimal reward for them given how many people enjoy it so much.

They would have done better if they invested the money they have spent so far in a few good stocks.
We wouldn't have the Lonelygirl15 series though would we.

Thanks Creators,
I hope you do really well with this in the future.
We aren't all ready to string you up, and some of us are rooting for you to make wads of money in the future so we can see more of this style of entertainment in the future.

Doh, now I went and made this post long again. :)
Oh well,<br /><i>by Toad on 2006-11-30 20:17:14</i><br /><hr />Poor Daniel =(

I wonder what they do all day. Do they talk about any of this, or does Daniel have to schedule an appointment with P Monkey to be able to talk with Bree? The whole stuffed-animal thing is really annoying. I think this is Bree's way of hiding her true feelings, but even so she still needs to grow up.

I say... Bree, stick with Daniel, and trust him on this one. Even if Jonas seems nice to you, he's still a stranger, and we all know that you NEVER take candy from a stranger (except for Halloween!) But if you and Daniel talk it over in a logical, calm manner you may find another way to get some money and a place to stay.<br /><i>by OhSnap on 2006-11-30 20:24:04</i><br /><hr />Oh jeez.. look at this..

I'm out of here for just a few hours and the room's been infiltrated!!<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 20:25:21</i><br /><hr />For those who may think they're making tons of money: Well, I say you're wrong and they have stated recently that they are still paying out of their own pockets to produce it.

But even if they're breaking even, wouldn't it feel good to send $10 just as a "thank you" gesture?<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 20:25:22</i><br /><hr />robtomorrow -

the bunny ears is DEFINITELY the way to go.. or maybe, with the holiday season approaching, antlers?!

Can you imagine if we wind up seeing Daniel with antlers and Bree suddenly listening to every word he says and agreeing?.. um, just the mental image is cracking me up here...<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 20:27:46</i><br /><hr />I too think it's more than coincidence that both Jonas and Daniel used the same scratching motion on their face, and both of them were talking about trust around the same time they scratched their face.  

I think they are communicating in code and both a part of the order.<br /><i>by beachlovr9 on 2006-11-30 20:31:33</i><br /><hr />So...is anyone but Bree not bad?<br /><i>by Elphielives on 2006-11-30 20:33:52</i><br /><hr />I just rewatched this..

When he says, 'I'm gonna let her go. Serious. I'm done..'

Is he wiping a tear out of the corner of his eye?<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 20:34:57</i><br /><hr />isn't scratching your face a tell in poker that you're bluffing?

Or perhaps I'm thinking of a Seinfeld episode....<br /><i>by Kimmy on 2006-11-30 20:40:39</i><br /><hr />To everyone who is wondering what happened to page 122 I have the solution. 122 is the newly added chat page. 121 is Jonas' video and 123 is Daniels new video. Sorry if someone has said this already I haven't read all the comments.<br /><i>by Lillygirl15 on 2006-11-30 20:41:17</i><br /><hr />ooh, thanks Lilygirl.. I WAS wondering about that, thank you!<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 20:43:45</i><br /><hr />For those who can't find the chat, the link is now where it should be on the page... It was moved to a place that makes sense.  It is at the top of this page, the second link from the left... "Videos, *CHAT*, Forum, LGPedia, Member Directory, My Profile", which makes sense.<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 20:46:27</i><br /><hr />#299 jc_gypsy7

I thought that too.  Aww, he loves her!  I want him to be tearing up, not sending secret evil signs to Jonas (see #297). 

#291

Yikes.  This is a family show!<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 20:50:42</i><br /><hr />I think that is what it could be I'm not 100 per cent sure now. Before it was coming up as page 122 but now that I've logged on it says something different. I'll try logging out again. This is a reply to comment 301.<br /><i>by Lillygirl15 on 2006-11-30 20:50:50</i><br /><hr />#305 Lillygirl15

Someone brought this up earlier today and came up with the same assessment as you.  So, you are correct about 122 being the chat!  :)<br /><i>by krig on 2006-11-30 20:55:28</i><br /><hr />GreenLaceBeauty said
â€œ82- Lizard- Oh, God I hope notâ€¦ I DO NOT want to see a Watcher dressed like that!!!â€

Oh, come on, I bet that bald guy would look sweet in a string bikini. 

Krig said, â€œThe most I can offer is my many years of archaeological training (cultural anthropology has just been a required aside). Unfortunatley, any of the cult members I would have investigated have been dead for at least a few thousand yearsâ€

Well, they are steeped in Egyptian mythology, so that may not be a bad thing!

NAXAN said, â€œAt first I though you might be describing Lizard.â€

White and pink? As if. Hot pink with light pink for the inner earâ€¦ thatâ€™s where the real fanbunnies are at! :P<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 20:58:04</i><br /><hr />Okay now I'm sure! When I logged in before it wasn't saying that the chat page was 122 it just says javascript void or something similar. When I logged out and put my mouse over the chat link it says page id 122. So yeah chat is the missing page 122.<br /><i>by Lillygirl15 on 2006-11-30 20:58:51</i><br /><hr />Hmm... I thought I just posted this comment, but I don't see it. *eyes narrow* 

I shall post again... 

Paulo, I would love to donate if I had $10, but then, if I had $10, I wouldn't be on the brink of dancing on tables for quarters to keep my sheets clean.<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 21:07:17</i><br /><hr />Lizard, 

You might make more money dancing on sheets to keep your table clean than dancing on tables to keep your sheets clean.  :-)

I can't speak for you, but whenever I say "I don't have enough time, money, or energy", what I really mean is that I'd prefer to spend resources elsewhere.<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 21:19:41</i><br /><hr />Paulo said, "You might make more money dancing on sheets to keep your table clean than dancing on tables to keep your sheets clean."

Touche, good sir. 

"I canâ€™t speak for you, but whenever I say â€œI donâ€™t have enough time, money, or energyâ€, what I really mean is that Iâ€™d prefer to spend resources elsewhere."

I wish it was that simple, because then I wouldn't be having to ask my grandmother to help me pay my rent this month this close to Christmas when she's already stretched thin, money-wise. I gave up a job with a decent salary to come to school where I have to sign an agreement not to work while I attend. Eh bien. In three years when I graduate, I'll be able to help out the Creators to my heart's content. And afford TiVo. And takeout food again. *sob* Cause I can't cook and I'm tired of soup!

Ok, I'm delirious. That was unnecessarily long. :P<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 21:35:29</i><br /><hr />Ha ha ha. Lol. i love how this video is supposed to be all serious and stuff..but then i thought it was funny when you see Bree talking to purple blah blah in the background. yea, you know what? Bree shouldnt trust him. It's really not fair to Daniel tho. i understand that Bree is hurting or whatever because her parents are missing. BUT Daniel did give up like his life. I MEAN HE GAVE UP SCHOOL. so yea, i think he should leave her with Jonas. because even if he is the bad guy, they cant run forever, especially with no money. and also im sick of daniel's face. no offense. time to meet new people! :)<br /><i>by here4laffs on 2006-11-30 21:41:55</i><br /><hr />If I were you, I'd spend the resources elsewhere too.  :-)

It's still a matter of priorities, but yours are properly placed with your own survival first.

You're clever.  "Touche" indeed.  I think I would enjoy a bit of banter with you, but we would have to disagree first.<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 21:42:40</i><br /><hr />^^^ The above was directed to Lizard.  ^^^<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 21:43:45</i><br /><hr />FYI- not everyone who has donated has their name on the list.  The page hasn't (it appears) been updated for over two weeks.  

I donated- not a lot since I'm trying to not live in a cardboard box and all, but I figure I spend enough time on the boards and watching the videos that I should probably show my appreciation for the time and creativity put into this project.  

So thanks creators.<br /><i>by Storyteller on 2006-11-30 21:46:29</i><br /><hr />Hey I was just thinking, if Daniel dressed got dressed up in a bunny suit, not only might Bree talk to him, but he would probably scare the watchers away as well!<br /><i>by robtomorrow on 2006-11-30 21:47:52</i><br /><hr />Paulo said, "If I were you, Iâ€™d spend the resources elsewhere too.  

Itâ€™s still a matter of priorities, but yours are properly placed with your own survival first.

Youâ€™re clever. â€œToucheâ€ indeed. I think I would enjoy a bit of banter with you, but we would have to disagree first."

Aw, you're so nice. As for disagreeing... Heh, stick around. I occasionally have a tendency to be overly opinionated, but I always enjoy a good-natured argument. :)<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 22:15:57</i><br /><hr />bunnies?

*shudders*<br /><i>by Storyteller on 2006-11-30 22:20:01</i><br /><hr />I am getting really sick of Daniel's whining. The last few videos have all been "I gave up my life for this", "I want to go home", "Bree's not trying this seriously". 

No Daniel, you aren't taking this seriously! Maybe the reason Bree starting talking to her stuff animals more than you was because you don't listen to her anymore. Stop whining about YOUR life. You told Bree to quit the ceremony, you snuck around following her for weeks and got the Order all wary of you. YOU did that Daniel, not Bree.

Then Bree quits, leaves home, her parents get taken away and now she's fleeing around the country with you and all you can think around is yourself all the sudden.

You know what, Bree. Go stay with Jonas and let Daniel go home. Let him discover for himself how relentless the Order really is. Daniel, you think they are honestly just gonna let you go? You go back now they'll just take you and torture you until you tell them where Bree is. You are being too short sighted.<br /><i>by Stray on 2006-11-30 22:26:20</i><br /><hr />Lizard said:

"As for disagreeingâ€¦ Heh, stick around. I occasionally have a tendency to be overly opinionated, but I always enjoy a good-natured argument."

No you don't!  Liar.<br /><i>by Paulo on 2006-11-30 22:29:12</i><br /><hr /># 319 youre an idiot!<br /><i>by 707clique on 2006-11-30 22:31:28</i><br /><hr />Daniel, you can trust me. Please go to my house before they find you.<br /><i>by Jonas on 2006-11-30 22:33:14</i><br /><hr />I think Daniel is right Bree needs to start thinking like a grown up. On the other end I don't think going back would be the best idea. If I were Bree I would not trust Jonas she hardly knows him. But Daniel need to remember that Bree is alone right now he's all she has at the moment. I think she just wants to be able to trust people agian but its hard cause of the order and how many people are in it.<br /><i>by tes0725 on 2006-11-30 22:36:20</i><br /><hr />All I can say, is Daniel..Get your pimp hand ready. I think Bree has lost touch with reality. Given the situation, though..I would probably be talking to strange objects as well. AS for Jonas, I am not so sure about him, but dont let Bree go by herself. If, worse comes to worse..You can always hog tie him and throw him in a closet. Just a thought<br /><i>by angie78gg on 2006-11-30 22:39:28</i><br /><hr />IF DANIEL LEAVES...I WILL DIE


I AM ALREADY SICK AND HAVE BEEN ALL DAY (fever...eww)


actually, im probably sick because this morning i took an orange-flavored airborne.


OMG. HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO STUPID.



I AM GOING TO DIEEEE.<br /><i>by Grace on 2006-11-30 22:44:27</i><br /><hr />Hey, it's Jonas! Hi, Jonas! 

"No you donâ€™t! Liar."

LOL, well, I have more restraint in a written medium. Time to premeditate what I'm saying and all.<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 22:46:54</i><br /><hr />at this point.. there is a possible solution to all this.. using lord greystoke's random principle.

first... both bree and daniel sit down.. tossing aside stuffed creatures, life related concerns, minor concerns like cash.. food.. and a place to live.. never mind the overwhelming urge to leave one another... (don't forget gemma's foreshadowing here.. )

and

grab paper, and tear it into strips.

as they find themselves coming up with an idea... (it's not necessary that it be a welcomed idea... )

write it on one of the strips and toss it in the bowl.

then..

pick one.

(Don't forget to include getting cash wired to you for expenses.. and seriously deciding the best way to outwit the Order, and find Bree's parents.)

just a thought!<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 22:47:23</i><br /><hr />#311 Lizard,

"In three years when I graduate, Iâ€™ll be able to help out the Creators to my heartâ€™s content. And afford TiVo. And takeout food again. *sob* Cause I canâ€™t cook and Iâ€™m tired of soup!"


You forgot some things:
Your own Washer &amp; Dryer.
Your own P. Monkey
Your own Slurpee Machine, that makes every flavor except orange.
Your own girl scout troup
A hitman to kill the prof. that made you study tort.  
And of course, pay Jonas to dance on a table for you.  Wearing nothing but his argyle hat (you can decide where the hat goes) while you throw quarters at him.<br /><i>by Joe on 2006-11-30 22:49:38</i><br /><hr />grace -

hang on a second, checking my medicine cabinet..

GOT IT!

Dimetapp is purple and also treats ucky-ness symptoms...

you might have some time left....<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 22:49:56</i><br /><hr />#321 I understand you may not agree with me and you are free to have your own opinion. But honestly is "youre an idiot!" the best argument you could come up with?<br /><i>by Stray on 2006-11-30 22:50:04</i><br /><hr />i dont have any dimetapp!!! *whatever that is*

need....grape juice...now...<br /><i>by Grace on 2006-11-30 22:52:05</i><br /><hr />The plausibility for me, is getting a bit stretched. I'm just not buying that the Watchers are trying to "catch" them. Follow, yes, frighten, perhaps... catch, no. #1, they know exactly where they are. That's obvious, quite possibly to everyone except Daniel and Bree. #2, the Order may control law enforcement. Daniel is most likely 18+, having graduated from high school six months ago. (Not sure his age was ever stated.) Bree, we know, is underage. So far, we've got an adult male on the age with an underage female... whose parents happen to be missing. (And I'm really curious what their employers and neighbors think about their disappearance.) Add in some easily influenced law enforcement. A description of his car would be easy to find. Logic says if they really wanted to "catch" them, there should be an Amber alert out for her, a warrant out for his arrest... and that would have the public on high alert, too. But we've heard nothing about any circumstances like that... which supports the idea that, at the moment, they aren't in danger of being "caught". I don't think we're even in the ballpark motive-wise, but I can't figure out what it would be, either. And if they really ARE trying to catch them--- sorry, we left plausible behind SO long ago...

I think P Monkey needs to go missing.

(And, go ahead, throw tomatoes...) I like BOTH Daniel AND Jonas. Story-wise, Bree and Daniel need more people to interact with. We're getting a lot of monologues, which gets tedious after a while, and fights about the same-old-same-old, which isn't much better to keep the plot moving.

Oh... and Daniel sounds like he's trying to convince himself that he really ought to leave her and is justified in doing so.<br /><i>by dreamerose on 2006-11-30 22:54:26</i><br /><hr />Jonas!  Are you sure you have room enough in that big house of yours to accomodate all Bree's stuffed friends?  P. Monkey's sorta high maintenance and will probably demand his own guesthouse and private bath.<br /><i>by Kimmy on 2006-11-30 23:01:41</i><br /><hr />I think we should hear from Bree next, hopfully with out P.Monkey on her hand.<br /><i>by robtomorrow on 2006-11-30 23:02:57</i><br /><hr />Am I the only girl on here who does not think Jonas is good looking at all?<br /><i>by lilhypernicki on 2006-11-30 23:05:02</i><br /><hr />Just go home and leave Bree there Daniel... that's a GREAT idea. :)<br /><i>by THE ORDER on 2006-11-30 23:05:53</i><br /><hr />Joe said, 
"You forgot some things:
Your own Washer &amp; Dryer.
Your own P. Monkey
Your own Slurpee Machine, that makes every flavor except orange.
Your own girl scout troup
A hitman to kill the prof. that made you study tort.
And of course, pay Jonas to dance on a table for you. Wearing nothing but his argyle hat (you can decide where the hat goes) while you throw quarters at him."

Oh, man, you're right. The hitman for the prof may take care of itself, though. I'm not the only one he's ticked off... 

*giggling* Oh man, it would be a good thing to have that washer and dryer. That argyle hat is going to need some washing...

Because hats need a lot of care. Whhaaaat? What were YOU guys thinking?<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 23:21:51</i><br /><hr />dreamerose - thank you for listing it all so completely..

I agree. if anyone was going to be kidnapped.. it would have happened by now.

It hasn't. Therefore..

Face them and find out what they want..

Go back home, connect with Gemma and see if she has done anything to try and pinpoint these people..

and.. basically.. all of you.

Stand up for yourselves.

*sigh*.. I can only say the same thing 4 times in one day.. I'm over my limit, hasta all!<br /><i>by jc_gypsy7 on 2006-11-30 23:34:10</i><br /><hr />Ok, when I start giggling- and typing that I'm giggling- it's time to go to bed. Night, all!<br /><i>by Lizard on 2006-11-30 23:37:01</i><br /><hr />Ø§ÙˆØ±ÙŠÙ… ÙˆØªÙ…ÙŠÙ… Yale's Coat of Arms was taken yesterday by the Grigori known as ×¨×ž×©× ××œ 

The Grigori have captured all we have worked to protect.   Daniel you must make bree understand that Jonas is known as ×©×ž×™×—×–×”.

You may still attempt to ascend with the Liturgy of Amon-Ra.  Be aware you are in the most grave danger you have ever been in.  

We have no safe place to direct you to the Grottoes were compromised and we have no means of providing you with any resources.  

If you leave Daniel now you are doomed.  We have learned through our investigation he is special and his birthright provides the protection to you so the Grigori cannot capture you with him around.  He has the bloodline of Zephaniah and that protects you both.

Please we ask you Daniel to acknowledge our concern.  Keep Bree away from Jonas at all costs.<br /><i>by Deacons on 2006-11-30 23:38:38</i><br /><hr />ummm...what? wtf is that? mountain gibberish?<br /><i>by joe_ocal on 2006-11-30 23:44:36</i><br /><hr />#340 'Deacons;

that'd be much more impressive if you used a spell-checker. hilarious.<br /><i>by Danie1beast on 2006-11-30 23:45:52</i><br /><hr />Bwahahaha!!!! 

I know this a serious time for you, but this was a HILARIOUS video....  One of my favorite...

"That rat is attached to her, or something"

As much as like P. Monkey, Bree IS going a little too far. 

I think you should go back to your life, Daniel, and let Bree make her own decisions.  She is only going to be mad at you if you keep on trying to persuade her.  You've sacrificed so much for her and if she still isn't listening, then it's time for her to learn her lessons the hard way.  

Before you let her go though, be sure that you get Jonas' address and contacts, just in case she disappears or something so you can report it to the cops. 

In a friendship there's give and take.  It seems that recently you've been giving all you've got and Bree's been take take taking...  We all know you love her (haha... it's too obvious!) but there's only so far you can go.  I'm really sorry it had to come to this.  Good luck!<br /><i>by Ani Donia on 2006-12-01 00:27:09</i><br /><hr />Go back home! I'm sick of all these on the run videos. Bree even said herself that life on the run was "booooorrrrriiinnnnggggg"
Don't stay with Jonas either. He's probably evil and Daniel is right, you don't know him. Consider this for a minute. Some guy you've never met posts a few video blogs. You talk to him online for a few days and he offers to help you out and let you stay at his place. What reason has he given you that he is who he says he is? It would be highly dangerous to accept even if you didn't have a crazy cult after you.<br /><i>by Lillygirl15 on 2006-12-01 00:29:36</i><br /><hr />This video is one of the most hilarious ones of all. "Bree's gone for a walk with her stuffed animals"
It would be so funny to see someone walking through the park with all their toys. Also when Daniel says "I swear to God that little rat is attached to her" it sounds like he really has it in for P. Monkey.<br /><i>by Lillygirl15 on 2006-12-01 00:36:19</i><br /><hr />Some quick research regarding the Deacons post #340.  Might be interesting, when you cross reference with the LGPedia link...

Ø§ÙˆØ±ÙŠÙ… ÙˆØªÙ…ÙŠÙ…
= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urim_and_Thummim

×¨×ž×©× ××œ = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azazel

×©×ž×™×—×–×” = http://bibleexegesis.com/index.php/Book_of_Enoch
(Look at the section "Names of Fallen Angels". ×©×ž×™×—×–×” is the Aramaic form of the very first name.

LGPedia link = http://www.lonelygirl15.com/lgpedia/index.php?title=Watcher

Some interesting stuff.  I'll have to look into it more later today.<br /><i>by jerik on 2006-12-01 01:14:33</i><br /><hr />Just checking the time. Disregard this post.<br /><i>by Lillygirl15 on 2006-12-01 01:19:10</i><br /><hr />I agree with you, dreamerose #332. Here's my theory: the Order wants to get Bree back with the least amount of fuss and risk. So they're just spooking Bree and Daniel til they crack, and then they'll quietly sweep up the pieces. 

Bree is underage (just turned 17), so yes, if they wanted they could drop a dime and get Daniel hauled in for suspicion of statutory rape. (THAT would certainly make him forget all about junior college!) But that would be messy and Bree might pass into custody out of their control. Much simpler and less risky to hound B and D, and perhaps Gemma, and maybe to set up Jonas, a false harbor. Meanwhile, they've done nothing illegal, except loitering  (they probably farmed out the motel burglary).

Bree is no good to them if her spirit is intact. It's got to be broken first.<br /><i>by SharpI on 2006-12-01 01:28:30</i><br /><hr />#330- I already stated my argument...twice in fact..and a few times in past videos... but your argument is way too one sided.<br /><i>by 707clique on 2006-12-01 01:30:10</i><br /><hr />haha the scene of her talkin to p monkey was so funny!  She's lost it!  Daniel... man.. i dunno.  Don't leave, I like you.  She's gone nuts.  Jonas is bad news.<br /><i>by fantim on 2006-12-01 05:10:57</i><br /><hr />looks like gemma is going to say "Daniel, I agree"? or "I think she can trust jonas"?<br /><i>by gracie on 2006-12-01 10:20:00</i><br /><hr />I don't blame Bree for wanting to talk to P. Monkey more than Daniel.  He's just mad and whining about "I want to do this, or I want to do that, and it's so unfair and she's not listening, blah blah BLAH!"  

Daniel, don't you care about Bree at all?  Your parents aren't the ones that are missing!  Don't you care that Bree is really hurting right now?    Maybe she's acting cheerful in an attempt to not make you worry about her.  Sure, it's not doing well, but she's trying.  Honestly, I think Bree should be with  Gemma right now.  Gemma seems pretty dependable.  I would say Jonas, but I don't know much about him.  

Bree, go find Gemma, or go to Jonas's.  You don't need to deal with Daniel and his selfishness.<br /><i>by Crystal_Chord on 2006-12-01 11:21:03</i><br /><hr />Daniel you insensitive jerkwad! Can't you see Bree's going through alot right now!? Isn't it obvious that if she doesn't want to talk to you it might have something with YOUR attitude? She's so distraught that's she's finding comfort in a puppet because she can't find comfort in anyone else. That includes you!

Daniel really pissed me off in this video. How could he say that about leaving Bree! If you leave Bree will be alone and if  something REALLY horrible happens to her it's gonna be YOUR fault!
How will that make you feel?<br /><i>by Mandi on 2006-12-01 18:45:20</i><br /><hr />I agree with Daniel. Bree's been really stupid over the last course of videos and he doesn't want to deal with that. He also has an actual life of his own. LG15 is great and all, but he's missing college and potentially throwing out his dreams just so he can help a friend who won't take anything seriously and just plays with a puppet all day. If you look back, Daniel never even got a thank you for throwing away his college to help her. Now she's going for the whole Jonas thing. Daniel's not about to move. This isn't even his problem. He's sacrificed enough and he's not going to go with this any further, especially with Bree doing this. So you disagree with Daniel, Mandi, but I disagree with you. Bree's being an "insensitive jerkwad". He's not going to keep taking crap just to have it shoved down his throat.<br /><i>by FireInside on 2006-12-01 19:51:15</i><br /><hr />for anybody that thinks the guy behind Daniel is a 'watcher' its clearly not. Its someone walking their dog!<br /><i>by xlaughalotfoolx on 2006-12-03 06:36:59</i><br /><hr />for anybody that thinks the guy behind Daniel is walking their dog is last - WRONG!

I AM<br /><i>by Slainte on 2006-12-17 16:30:39</i><br /><hr />So maybe Bree and Jonas should call Nikki B. investigate cowboy's house, maybe kidnap cowboy, tie him up, grill him for answers about the order, devise a plan of action. Send Bree in as bait and nab DanialBeast back!

Do it! Do it!<br /><i>by Sadie on 2007-02-05 07:00:15</i><br /><hr />dan is so right
i dont blame him at all 
and i love his character b/c he cares so much for bree<br /><i>by rissa406 on 2008-01-27 02:43:21</i><br /><hr />I totally don't trust Jonas either, DB.<br /><i>by mister_b1ll on 2008-02-16 18:24:22</i><br /><hr />That is true. I think you need to listen to him, Bree. You have known him longer than this Jonas guy.

Shonder~<br /><i>by fiddlefingers90 on 2008-03-13 08:05:49</i><br /><hr /></td></tr><table></center>